Being Able To Shout Your Bitch/dog Out

[wirral countryman 2,110]

There's some right sh*te being said on this thread by lads that have obviously only ever owned hard digging dogs without a brain, I've owned many types of terrier from the 60's on and there is a use for them all, I bred a line of fell/russells that could be called out sometimes but would work anything in front of them and we dug most weeks to them, when we were hunting for pelts we always kept a small Russell just for bolting that could be called out if we were in a place we weren't supposed to be, you can't dig under a scout hut in town or a clubhouse at a bowling club for example or a motorway bridge, in a park,, somebodies garden and yet these are the places we caught large numbers bolting into nets, not everybody wants to dig all day at one earth. the Irish lads and purists out there that just wish to dig to a terrier seem to think this is the only way to work a terrier and the only true test but there are many that still enjoy a bolting type terrier, I still like to work a bolting type and they are the only legal option available to us lads that try to stay within the thin constraints of the law in great Britain, it is illegal here now to knowingly enter a marked up known hard dog in protection of gamebirds, we are " ALL" supposed to follow that guideline in order to work a terrier on fox, we are all as different as our terriers and it is each to their own type but I would say just keep the type that suits where you hunt and never slate another mans choice for hunting in a different way than yourself, WM

[MIK 4,756]

if you can keep a lot of terriers they are usefull at times ..I only have the work for 3 terriers so I only keep digging stuff ....what I would like to know BUD9 is when do you make the decision to call out your tyke ?....and has the dog ever been on some long digs and stayed I mean + 4hours ?...cause I would imagine there must be a very thin line between a call out dog and a jacker ....aslo if it was a realy big deep spot and the dog was up to its quarry in full voice it must take a lot of loud shouting to get the dog out ...the last thing you would want to be doing .

[MIK 4,756]

There's some right sh*te being said on this thread by lads that have obviously only ever owned hard digging dogs without a brain, I've owned many types of terrier from the 60's on and there is a use for them all, I bred a line of fell/russells that could be called out sometimes but would work anything in front of them and we dug most weeks to them, when we were hunting for pelts we always kept a small Russell just for bolting that could be called out if we were in a place we weren't supposed to be, you can't dig under a scout hut in town or a clubhouse at a bowling club for example or a motorway bridge, in a park,, somebodies garden and yet these are the places we caught large numbers bolting into nets, not everybody wants to dig all day at one earth. the Irish lads and purists out there that just wish to dig to a terrier seem to think this is the only way to work a terrier and the only true test but there are many that still enjoy a bolting type terrier, I still like to work a bolting type and they are the only legal option available to us lads that try to stay within the thin constraints of the law in great Britain, it is illegal here now to knowingly enter a marked up known hard dog in protection of gamebirds, we are " ALL" supposed to follow that guideline in order to work a terrier on fox, we are all as different as our terriers and it is each to their own type but I would say just keep the type that suits where you hunt and never slate another mans choice for hunting in a different way than yourself, WM

Just because a dog is hard doesn't mean it doesn't have a brain.

And you have just contradicted yourself there

Edited December 20, 2013 by MIK

[dillydog 8,463]

The bitch in my avatar will do and has done 5 hours +, she's as good as they get and I wouldn't and couldn't put a figure on the amount of game she's been dug too.

I also used to think that they had something missing if you could shout them out...second rate at best, but this bitch is 9 years old and she's still full of drive and I can't find the work to quench the thirst she has for it. She's not only a good solid bitch, she's also a producer of workers, yet funnily enough if I need to I an call her out.

It's not something I do often or even encourage but it's got me and her out of the shit a few times.

Edited December 20, 2013 by dillydog

[fat man 4,741]

Dillydog i dont doubt for a second that your bitch has done all you've said its done but in my view if a terrier is right up in its quarrys face giving it as good as its geting back abd all of a sudden its owner is calling it out well i dont think it should come away,not if the terriers heart is truly in it.I would be always doubting the dogs ability afterwards and waiting for it to come away of its on accord,but as said every man to its own,if that type suit a person then thats there buisness,its them that kennell them after all.

[the_stig 6,614]

Dillydog i dont doubt for a second that your bitch has done all you've said its done but in my view if a terrier is right up in its quarrys face giving it as good as its geting back abd all of a sudden its owner is calling it out well i dont think it should come away,not if the terriers heart is truly in it.I would be always doubting the dogs ability afterwards and waiting for it to come away of its on accord,but as said every man to its own,if that type suit a person then thats there buisness,its them that kennell them after all.

or would it come away ..

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Ill keep it short. Handy tool to have , knowing when to use it is another matter !!!!!!!!!

[gonetoearth 5,144]

When the law states one soft terrier to ground. Think on lads

[rob284 1,682]

rob I don't doubt these terriers are very useful and put a lot of game on the bank,but how can it be a stay till dug dog if it comes away when calle?,surely that would make it a stay till dug, unless called out dog,in that case its doing what its doing to please its owner,its the determination I admire most in a terrier,thats the determination to work not please

if it does the job and will stay on anything like other dogs, the ability to call it out is a bonus and doesnt make it any less than a dog that wont. You could put the dog anywere

[smasher 1,055]

Any dog that will see the job through to completion is a good dog in my book regardless of what work style it has,

[MOLE265 792]

Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.O

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.O

. No disrepect but. You can not train it some will some wont , i dont even want to go into the whys and were fors on here its the wrong place for many reasons , its just handy having one who will and ill leave it at that. Oh and i aint got one lol Edited December 20, 2013 by gonetoearth

[marshman 7,757]

Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.O

have I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ? Edited December 20, 2013 by marshman

[MOLE265 792]

 

Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.O

have I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ?

It's all about obedience and training starts ASAP the dog is working for its master.

[dillydog 8,463]

I know where you're coming from fat man and I agree to a degree, lets just say this bitch covers all bases and she's served me very well.

Like me she's f'in unique lol