Being Able To Shout Your Bitch/dog Out

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

IM GUESSING YOUR A WIND UP MERCHANT LAD

[lukey 1,621]

Who?

[lukey 1,621]

My last question was for fox digger

[fox digger 1,086]

So what dose the type of dog you use for bolting foxes do when under the ground?

 

 

if thats for me lukey its a bit of a no brainer really as i said already any terrier that enters the ground is capably of bolting a fox. if charlie has a chance he will make good his escape from any type entered. unless he has been hunted hard above ground and had preassure put on to make him go in. your bolter type as you call them would fail in a lot of these situations.

 

the type of dog i use and probably the most popular type to my knowledge is a type that will enter of its own free will with no encouragement, locate his quarry and sit face to face with his game, drive his game either to a stop end or out the available openings. foxes by nature will try avoid confrontation above or below. if my type has him bottled up in a stop end then i expect them to sit tight baying and hold his groung if the quarry advances and tries to pass the dog. some big dog foxes will take a while to bottle up and some small sounders do get alot of stick at different times but with enough preassure, eagerness to get a result and a brain and you will dig your charlie with the TYPE i like and use. Any less comitted and they are not upto scratch and do not posses the qualities i seek in a working terrier.

 

again JUST MY OPINION.

Edited December 25, 2013 by fox digger

[Cleanspade 3,322]

its good to hear all the differing opinions and as far as im concerned everyone has a right to the idea's they hold.. everyone who takes up a terrier and makes the effort to breed or buy in a pup then rear it and enter it below is on the side of working terriers.. often the difference of a good or great working terrier is the man that owns it. and the way they go about working it. if i wanted to dig i would only have to change the way i work terriers a little. and the very same dogs would have to work harder for there corn. the difference between a good bolter and digging dog is often as little as the man that owns it. culls shoutouts and ten minute wonders have there advantages if you know how to use them. as does the digging dog. .but they need to be suited to the men that own them. i refuse to condemn any workstyle its just some dont suite me as they are of little or no use for them.

[aaron01 737]

Best debate in a long time lads for my five pence worth a dog entered to fox should stay til dug no less dont get me wrong iv seen a few that just had a knack to bolting foxes but it is what happens when Charlie doesn't want to bolt that the questions are asked and for me there is only one answer a stayer be it a mute dog or a sounder a stayer is a stayer

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

The Op asks if its a good idea to be able to call your dog out .As a digging man that likes to test before breeding i find it an alien practice ,a weekness in both dog and man but then thats just me .To want a bolt is also alien to me so to wish to create or own such a dog to facilitate such is alien too .The advocaters of such practice will never know the satisfaction of consistently digging to a dog no matter what the depth,the same as i will never appreciate the dog that comes away in whatever circumstance .

I do worry about the future though which is why i may get a bit passionate about breeding.

Enough said

[gonetoearth 5,144]

The Op asks if its a good idea to be able to call your dog out .As a digging man that likes to test before breeding i find it an alien practice ,a weekness in both dog and man but then thats just me .To want a bolt is also alien to me so to wish to create or own such a dog to facilitate such is alien too .The advocaters of such practice will never know the satisfaction of consistently digging to a dog no matter what the depth,the same as i will never appreciate the dog that comes away in whatever circumstance .

I do worry about the future though which is why i may get a bit passionate about breeding.

Enough said

. I respect terriers that stay till dug to , the only thing is. Its ok when you can dig to them and the location provides the oppotunity to dig , the problem is like ive stated when. Your qarry take up residence up a moutain amongst Bolders and rocks wighing tons , Were a terrier that is mute and sticks to his qaurry would entomb its self. All well and good and would make a great tale for some ones book , Horses for courses. But its only my humble opinion. Edited December 25, 2013 by gonetoearth

[rob284 1,682]

Outdated ,what a load of shite .The terrier you speak of is a pretender which renders you the same mate .Those of us that live the game and i mean the digging game not in and out shite rushing from farm to farm ,do so in the knowledge that centuries of men have bred for the same quality before us and to let this go would be treason .Give me your hard dogs but you wont get any shite from me in return . Carry on your hopeless breeding but dont let any true digging man have a pup as it will end up shot .A dog is not necessary hard if it can kill a fox,not all killers need time in sick bay ,headstrong ,game and a drive to extinguish life are qualities that will produce workers for generations to come .

never mind complaining bout yappers your yappin a loada shite yourself

[Cleanspade 3,322]

The Op asks if its a good idea to be able to call your dog out .As a digging man that likes to test before breeding i find it an alien practice ,a weekness in both dog and man but then thats just me .To want a bolt is also alien to me so to wish to create or own such a dog to facilitate such is alien too .The advocaters of such practice will never know the satisfaction of consistently digging to a dog no matter what the depth,the same as i will never appreciate the dog that comes away in whatever circumstance .

I do worry about the future though which is why i may get a bit passionate about breeding.

Enough said

spent many a long day digging out terriers foxdropper. and i admire a good hardy digging dog. like i said horses for courses

[the_stig 6,614]

each to there own i first started working terriers with a man who had little yappy 11 inch smooth russells who swore by a dog you could call off later in life i worked terriers with a man who had a bigger stronger line of black terrier who preffered them to do the job or stay till dug to and saw a call off as a flaw --- me i enjoy to see all types of terrier work i`d gladly have a day out with either type.... thats why the terrier games kept my interest for over 40 years..

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Would be interesting if someone could start a poll about who does what .Not the technical type myself

[Rat face 1,655]

its horses for courses at the end of the day,some dog will not suit some lads people are into different things some lads are just out and out digging lads others like to have quick bolt to the runners others just like to work the rock spots and will not do earth work, different dogs for different jobs as long as your happy with your own mutts what does it matter

 

now im not saying you should breed from junk thats a different thing altogether, but the above is only my opinion though

Edited December 26, 2013 by Rat face

[whippet 99 2,613]

the argument is , people use dogs for different jobs,.......part of the armoury of socalled terriermen......and I will admit that the ones you can call out , wont be your best fox dogs but have there uses and after you have assessed a place , its then your decision to use the right tool for the job....

the clever man who gets results uses the right tools..........respects whats underneath the ground and respects the finder and the foe.......

[wirral countryman 2,110]

The Op asks if its a good idea to be able to call your dog out .As a digging man that likes to test before breeding i find it an alien practice ,a weekness in both dog and man but then thats just me .To want a bolt is also alien to me so to wish to create or own such a dog to facilitate such is alien too .The advocaters of such practice will never know the satisfaction of consistently digging to a dog no matter what the depth,the same as i will never appreciate the dog that comes away in whatever circumstance .

I do worry about the future though which is why i may get a bit passionate about breeding.

Enough said

I think everyones early years in terrierwork form the foundations of their opinions, I was taught by lads that hunted for pelts and so numbers were what it was about for us, the money was split 3 ways so hanging about 1 earth all day was not an option, pelts were only viable when there was no moult and that meant about 12 weeks to get the job done, those weeks we always hit over the 100,that meant working anywhere foxes lay up or went to ground legal or otherwise, we kept between us a full range of terriers, from hard to 10 minute wonders and a lurcher, we always looked for the bolt, I would liken it in many ways to ferreting on a larger scale, quiet approach, check for a mark, net up and wait for a bolt, despatch and on to the next place, many of the places we worked our dogs were public places and gardens, tips, allotments, scout huts, youth centres, railways, motorway embankments, canals, etc, so diggind a large hole in someones back garden or side of a railway was the last thing we wanted, these years were a good grounding in how to get numbers and the sort of places they lie up when the weather is not so harsh, what makes them go to ground (conditions etc).I have owned many terriers of all types since those early formative years and yes plenty of hard digging types, but I still like a bolting type that can get the job done, this is of course only my opinion or type I like and in no way would try to change the opinion of someone that keeps other types, we all have our preferences and long may it continue, WM