Being Able To Shout Your Bitch/dog Out

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Outdated ,what a load of shite .The terrier you speak of is a pretender which renders you the same mate .Those of us that live the game and i mean the digging game not in and out shite rushing from farm to farm ,do so in the knowledge that centuries of men have bred for the same quality before us and to let this go would be treason .Give me your hard dogs but you wont get any shite from me in return . Carry on your hopeless breeding but dont let any true digging man have a pup as it will end up shot .A dog is not necessary hard if it can kill a fox,not all killers need time in sick bay ,headstrong ,game and a drive to extinguish life are qualities that will produce workers for generations to come .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

 

Calling a dog out .what the f**k is that about .FOR YEARS MOST OF US HAVE BEEN BREEDING ,INSTILLING INTO BOTH DOG AND MAN THAT ONCE IN ITS A DIG OR YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BE IN THE GAME .Road to ruin to breed from out else.MIGHT AS WELL USE f*****g DRAIN RODS.TOO MANY MESSERS IN THE GAME IS WHAT IS f*****g UP THE GENE POOL NOT STAYERS

why would what i breed for affect your stock as your being blunt. why dont you concern yourself with what you value and i will do likewise. but consider this times are changing

 

A hob ferret will do what you want mate .Im sure weve done this before, you and i, and a stand by what i write .For those coming into the sport i would like to think none of them thought it ok to feed a dog that wont stay until dug to.

i'm sure we have and as our idea's are so far apart there is no point in going over it add nausium. i'll leave with this thought. there are many types of running dogs. many types of gundogs

 

 

 

THEY ARE SECOND RATE CULL ANIMALS ,PERPETUATED BY MESSERS

and have you thought that what you breed for are culls in other kennels needing different qualiities. it would take me a week with stay till diug. to get round what i could do in a day with a good bolter. and 50 times the work. thats if a hard stayer could stay fit long enough. FFS.

 

You write about getting round the land so you are providing a service for someone .What if the quarry wont bolt ,does the dog come away/get called off .What service is that providing apart from making you feel good .Enough bolts are had when doing the job properly let alone encouraging it .

 

now that smacks of limited experience. maybe your set in your ways and have a set way of doing things .but if you cant see why a call out terrier will get the results then i am banging my head off of a brick wall. ive friends with digging terriers that have come with the same comments. but when out have still been digging the first whilst ive had three or four. and yes i call it out and wait for the fox to bolt after the dog is removed. if need be. also i could work a good little call out sort in a lot of places i wouldnt dream of dropping a hard dog or a stayer for that. you are looking for certain qualities. i am looking for different qualities. it dont make me wrong. quality over quantity for you. quantity ofer quality for me. anyway thats me . you have a good holiday. cs

 

Limited experience of jackers mate and thats the way i like it .I would rather dig 1 fox than bolt 10 .Ive seen the type you speak of and rarely do they like a fox that wants them out ,preferring to back out giving it large in the mouth of the hole .The difference between you and me is that you too are a quitter preferring to give it best when the going gets tough .If i wanted quantity i would lamp them .

[lukey 1,621]

Pull your head out your arse fox dropper!!

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Another messer .The list on here unfortunately grows by the day

[alimac 882]

Some narrow mindness going on here I see, lol.

The fact of it is, is that a digging lad, will never see eye to eye with a lad who keeps dogs for every job, there will always be a use for terriers what ever working style they have & both will get results, wether you like it or not ;-) and are there any differences between the two men?? No, because there both out there doing it the way it suits them & the country the control.

Just a observation, most of the call out yappy dogs Iv seen have been really small Russell's & there the ones that can get to the foxes in tight spots that the average digging dog would take hours to dig on too..

Edited December 24, 2013 by alimac

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

But does it stay to see the job out or does the man call it out because time is everything ..What people are missing here is the past and the future of working terriers .ANY terrier of any breed will rush in and do a stint on charlie if given the chance,coming away when charlie wants out and ups the pressure on the dog .To promote this and think that its ok is wrong however you hunt .To breed from a dog of this type is why we have so much shite about now and why the russel is reduced to a yappy ankle biter .Personally i do care about how a terrier is worked as the in out version fucks up not only the individual but the future of digging with terriers .

[dytkos 17,784]

Can you smell the testosterone?

 

Cheers, D.

[lukey 1,621]

I'm sure there was just as many yappy wee fuckers years ago maybe more and also proper digging dogs, if your after digging dogs get pups from the right stuff and the same for people looking for bolters ect

[fox digger 1,086]

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

 

this is the most inaccurate post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous post on here where the fox is either bottled up behing a corner or up on a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can dig them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

 

*edidited* to say foxes arent hard game to a clever dog, a hard dog isnt needed in many cases.

alot of folk that keep "hard stuff" like to use em as a ego boosters and status symbols rather than the task in hand........

Edited December 24, 2013 by fox digger

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

 

this is the most stupid post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous poat on here where the fox is either on a bend or a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

 

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

 

this is the most stupid post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous poat on here where the fox is either on a bend or a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

. I can not be arsed no more , but give this man a cigar

[fox digger 1,086]

 

 

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

this is the most stupid post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous poat on here where the fox is either on a bend or a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

 

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

this is the most stupid post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous poat on here where the fox is either on a bend or a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

. I can not be arsed no more , but give this man a cigar

 

is that agreeing with me or disagreeing?

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

 

this is the most stupid post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous poat on here where the fox is either on a bend or a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

 

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

 

this is the most stupid post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous poat on here where the fox is either on a bend or a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

. I can not be arsed no more , but give this man a cigar

is that agreeing with me or disagreeing?

lol dont you smoke cigars

[fox digger 1,086]

 

 

 

 

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

this is the most stupid post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous poat on here where the fox is either on a bend or a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

 

Consistantly breeding from bay only types will result in a steady drop in performance experienced by more than one well known breeder .The standard of the terrier in your yard can ONLY be maintained by consistantly using a dog that will kill his fox easily .I have seen the rest and lets be perfectly honest here they are found wanting when the pressures turned up .Too many terriers bred from that are below par IMO

this is the most stupid post ive read on here in a long time. A man who gets to use his terriers most often are the lads in hunt service digging for packs. If they keep "hard" type terriers they wouldnt have a job for too long. its utter bull that bayer to bayer will breed shite........ my old man is an "old man" and thats all they ever kept in bygone years and before locators.... you speak digging of yonder years, how do you locate a mute hard type in any sort of deep or rangy earth with no locator on?????? i have seen alot of terriers, ive dug to alot of terriers, alot of my closest friends are terrier men for other packs, all of them only desire a stedy bayer that wont let his fox pass him when the pedal is put to the floor. I can say with 100% truth that the dogs ive seen die after digs from severe shock are "hard" terriers. those that just want to go in and full on straight away. 90% of the time if the dog is genuinely hard he will kill his fox very quickly so your digging to a dead fox or like a previous poat on here where the fox is either on a bend or a shelf and the dog has to go to them to engage gets peppered every time, enough peppering and your "hard" dog is in trouble.

 

I unlike you dont try force my thoughts of a type on people and say my type is best for the future of the game.... but what i will say is i keep small steady bayers that will mix it up when needed, some if they get the oppertunity will kill (rarely). they all work consistantly untill retirement as they are not KIA or die from shock, but best of all is i can them them several times a week, week in week out. only today i dug 3, one bitch on two and a young bitch on the 3rd. them two bitches can be dug again tomorrow.

 

funnily enough the second bitch is shite cause she is only bred from two BAYERS!!

. I can not be arsed no more , but give this man a cigar

is that agreeing with me or disagreeing?

lol dont you smoke cigars

 

there a big mans smoke, ill stick to the benson n hedges!

[terryd 8,396]

Just to throw this into the mix too I all ways felt a bayer was a team player like my old dog new if he kept it bottled up I would eventually get to him and lend a hand so he got to win and have a rag it was a team effort. You could tell as you got closer he would start to mix it more as well.

Compared to some hard nut job that just see's red from word go and wades in just my opinion

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Outdated ,what a load of shite .The terrier you speak of is a pretender which renders you the same mate .Those of us that live the game and i mean the digging game not in and out shite rushing from farm to farm ,do so in the knowledge that centuries of men have bred for the same quality before us and to let this go would be treason .Give me your hard dogs but you wont get any shite from me in return . Carry on your hopeless breeding but dont let any true digging man have a pup as it will end up shot .A dog is not necessary hard if it can kill a fox,not all killers need time in sick bay ,headstrong ,game and a drive to extinguish life are qualities that will produce workers for generations to come .

Well Foxdropper anybody that doesn't agree with you is a pretender it seems, I would say you are a dinosaur and get with modern ways of working terriers, your dinosaur outlook will kill terrierwork for good in this country, as has been previously stated it is illegal to use the outdated methods you talk of , the true digging men you talk of are now living in other countries where it is still legal to do so, my dogs are worked all year round and 7 days a week not the odd day here and there so if I kept the type " all true terriermen" should keep I'd run out of dogs in a few days, and probably locked up inside of a short time, I've dug with dickheads like you before and many talk tough about their terriers in order to cover their own lack of fieldcraft hoping to impress others with less experience but when it comes down to it haven't a clue, we're talking about a fox here not f*cking lions,LOL's , merry xmas, WM