donnyc 1,203 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Just my tuppence worth a dog like mentioned should have a place in anyones Kennel.Some of the comments on here made me chuckle..If the said dog will stay and be dug to if NOT called out whats wrong with it?? Also saying you like a hard dog to be used to stay till dug to is a bit misleading because in my eyes if the said dog is hard It would or should kill to ground in a short time..This old terrier larks a funny thing 1 Quote Link to post
Tommy pepper 222 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 my dogs must be gooduns they come out without me even shouting them 4 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.Ohave I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ? It's all about obedience and training starts ASAP the dog is working for its master. fair play but what happens if your dog is grafting deep and cannot hear hes masters voice . Does he stay or does he walk ? Quote Link to post
MOLE265 792 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.O. No disrepect but. You can not train it some will some wont , i dont even want to go into the whys and were fors on here its the wrong place for many reasons , its just handy having one who will and ill leave it at that. Oh and i aint got one lol Bold statement mate. Quote Link to post
francolin 449 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Good read this,I have a 14 year bitch not been a hard terrier but has killed a few in ground, liked to work close but not stupid hardly a mark on her just not many teeth left, my last terrier calling her out was not a option but would not class her as a hard digging dog wirral, some lads have pups of her that turned out to be harder types. 1 Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.O. No disrepect but. You can not train it some will some wont , i dont even want to go into the whys and were fors on here its the wrong place for many reasons , its just handy having one who will and ill leave it at that. Oh and i aint got one lol Bold statement mate.. Nope just my humble opinion , Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.Ohave I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ? It's all about obedience and training starts ASAP the dog is working for its master. fair play but what happens if your dog is grafting deep and cannot hear hes masters voice . Does he stay or does he walk ?. Elecy shock collor lol. Fenton FENTON FENTON 1 Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.Ohave I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ? Marshman, there's a hell of a lot of lads who have terriers that seem to be experts at making their terriers come away. Quote Link to post
francolin 449 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 my dogs must be gooduns they come out without me even shouting them my dogs must be gooduns they come out without me even shouting them Theres loads got that strain tommy ha. Ha atb. Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I don't buy the old saying that a terrier should work for his master. IMO a terrier should work because he has countless generations behind him of terriers that worked to ground. I've had and known off terriers that either escaped from their kennels or were lost while excising, went to ground, never to be seen again. They went to ground because it should be all a terrier knows to do. So if a terrier can be called off his quarry without a doubt that terrier is lacking in heart. It's useful by all means and years ago I seen a little lakeland who was regularly used under roads and such. His owner would enter him, wait for a bolt, if the bolt didn't look like happening then dog was called off and they moved on. This terrier accounted for many, many foxes. But his owner was sensible enough to know he had a cur and never to breed form him. I knew of another terrier who's owner would fire a shot in the air and the terrier would fly out of the earth looking for a rag. Enough of these useful curs can be bred by putting 2 good staying types together so to breed off one IMO would be silly. 2 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.Ohave I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ? Marshman, there's a hell of a lot of lads who have terriers that seem to be experts at making their terriers come away.? Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I don't buy the old saying that a terrier should work for his master. IMO a terrier should work because he has countless generations behind him of terriers that worked to ground. I've had and known off terriers that either escaped from their kennels or were lost while excising, went to ground, never to be seen again. They went to ground because it should be all a terrier knows to do. So if a terrier can be called off his quarry without a doubt that terrier is lacking in heart. It's useful by all means and years ago I seen a little lakeland who was regularly used under roads and such. His owner would enter him, wait for a bolt, if the bolt didn't look like happening then dog was called off and they moved on. This terrier accounted for many, many foxes. But his owner was sensible enough to know he had a cur and never to breed form him. I knew of another terrier who's owner would fire a shot in the air and the terrier would fly out of the earth looking for a rag. Enough of these useful curs can be bred by putting 2 good staying types together so to breed off one IMO would be silly. . Corretomundo mr cooney but still handy for certain circumstanes. Eh Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.Ohave I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ? It's all about obedience and training starts ASAP the dog is working for its master. fair play but what happens if your dog is grafting deep and cannot hear hes masters voice . Does he stay or does he walk ?. Ive just asked BnF to install a speaker on there collor and a mike on the box. Lol Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.Ohave I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ? It's all about obedience and training starts ASAP the dog is working for its master. fair play but what happens if your dog is grafting deep and cannot hear hes masters voice . Does he stay or does he walk ?. Ive just asked BnF to install a speaker on there collor and a mike on the box. Lol ??? lol Quote Link to post
MOLE265 792 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.Ohave I read this right , just to clarify if a dog doesn't come of when called its the owners fault ? Also could you tell me how you train your dogs to come away ? It's all about obedience and training starts ASAP the dog is working for its master. fair play but what happens if your dog is grafting deep and cannot hear hes masters voice . Does he stay or does he walk ? Of course he stays if he can't hear H.M.V. Then why would he come out. I'm only giving my opinion and what I did with my terriers and these dogs weren't your soft bolting type they were fell/Lakeland type terriers and would would really mix it with there foxes The last terrier I had here before getting the border pup was a black rough coated fell type and my mates said more than once that wee c@nt's human he was everything I wanted in a terrier and hopefully the border pup can take his place as I have said before the pups got big boots tae fill but he will be trained the same way as all the rest. Quote Link to post
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