Who Has The Better Deerhound X,s ? David Platts Or Cooklands..?

[low plains drifter 10,453]

The first crosses i saw run we're mid 90's doxhope bred dogs out of the deerhound Thorn,They ran as well as they looked,it's surprising to hear how some of the deerhound bred stuff is'nt working fox,some of the doxhope 1st crosses we're exported to america to be worked as coyote dogs,I remember it was around the time when the breeding of this line was coming to an end that the fen coursing was becoming popular and the first of the top notch saluki bred stuff was becoming available up here in the north east,almost overnight the price of a lurcher pup rocketed to £350-400,and these lines are still very popular now,sorry if i've went off topic,just trying to say it's a lot easier to blame a particular breed of dog,rather than admit our own shortcomings

[stabba 10,745]

pmsl..seen a couple lol.....same as ive only seen a couple of colliex's salukix's lol....im not in the habit of tellin lies..some folk just cant accept that the deerhoundx is not the x its cracked up to be..im talkin deer/grey with no added collie or such..if they were that good then the serious pester would keep them for alround work..as it is most prefer a little terrier blood in there or decent collie blood...the question was..which are best...to me neither are up there with the other crosses available. Instead folk start slating people character when all else fails..atb NMF

[kranky 507]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seems to me that some folks on here dont like the truth of other peoples experiences with the deerhoundx. Sounds to me like hot meat has had a bad time with them. Then when he openly admits it..he gets slated for it. If the truth is known then the deerhoundx seems to throw the most failures/not meeting expectations across the running dog spectrum. I'll gladly admit that this is the case in my experience with said x..atb NMF

Deerhound crosses,the mix is the most important part,hold their own in any company,on any chosen quarry.I prefer the addition of Border collie.In my experience,based on over 30 years graft with the breed,i would own no other type lurcher.Ive seen outstanding lurchers of various breeding,yet the Deerhound types,bred right,with the collie influence in my case,entered right and tested right,have few equals.Ive seen many quality lurchers make duffers because of the kennel they live in,its the same with any lurcher,if its bred from grafters a good kennel will get graft out of the mutt.

You've just hit the nail on the head there mate...you've out crossed the deer to a collie...so in essence you aint got a straight deer/grey cross or variation of it. The best of the bunch i seen was a deer/grey x beddy/grey..and even then i wouldnt have had it in my kennel..i am far from slating the breed ..just stating that i aint seen any that gave me the "wow i want one" factor..atb NMF

Any Deerhound about now have something else in the mix,if the breeders going to be honest,working types especially.I chuckle when people state that because they,ve never come across a good un,there can,t be any.Thats reflects the attitude of some now,if i wanted a good un of any mix,then id put in the miles,get out with the lads testing them and source from honest stock,rather than slate a breed because the initial stock was not what properly reflected the type.

In all fairness if i'd have seen one that was up to scratch then i'd be the first to say so..some of the dogs i seen go out were in the hands of capable dog men who seemed to have the knack of gettin the best out of their charges..granted on edible quarry they were ok..but for all round work ..which at that time counted foxes in the mix then they were wanting for want of a better word..if looks could kill then the deerhound x would be the top of the tree..but sadly that aint the case atb NMF

How many Deerhound type lurchers have you owned,trained and entered?,more importantly how much effort and time did you put into the initial stock,or your muckers?.If looks could kill then a Deerhoundy type would be the last that would reflect whats under the jacket.

Not owned 1..why? because of my above posts..now if they floated my boat then my kennel would be full of them. The lads i know that owned them were/and still are top dog men in most ways you could count. atb NMF

I try to base any input i give on experiences in the field,good or bad,if ive not owned,trained and entered a certain type lurcher,then i don,t enter an opinion,as it is basically flawed,no proper foundation.If i went on what id seen others run,or was unduly influenced by it,id give up with lurchers.

Think ive not experienced the cross in the field? try at least half a dozen a season over 20 seasons..do the maths...thats why i aint owned one...because every one ive ever seen with just deer/grey blood in it(with nowt else added) havnt impressed me in the slightest. So in your opinion i need to own one do i? i dont need to own a lada to know their shite do i? same with dogs...see a good few run before diving in and purchasing one..thats exactly what ive done..seen well over enough to know they aint for me. I think ive been around dogs long enough to know when a certain cross aint for me..infact i'd sooner have a straight greyhound tbh...at least that would be a good base to get me the end product i desire..atb NMF

Not being funny but you hang about with some proper idiots or are constantly making new friends to run with.

 

You've seen at least 120 deerhound x's and they've all been crap. Either your mates are dopes who keep buying the same crap breed year in, year out or you are having to start running with new people each season. Whichever it is, something ain't right. Could you explain a bit more?

[the big chief 3,099]

Instead of all this talk of dh x's not doing fox lets hear about the ones that did ?.befor the ban not long befor i stoped runing fox i had a dhx what did them single no bother i was out 5 nights a week doing them along with rabbit.hare and roe i was taking a couple a night some night 3 or 4 plus's a hand full of rabbits and a hare or two may be a roe on top of that so my piont is there are dhx's out there doing it and well.

[bigdaz 688]

 

Seen a few over the years, a few first crosses and a few more three quarters, not one of them impressed me and to be honest put me off owning one. The original stuff came fom a guy called Andy Barron. Didn't like teeth, didn't have the stamina for an arduous course, rabbits tied them in knots.

Like you say"youve seen a few"a few is no yardstick?,they are blessed with stamina,obviously with their size possibly not best suited to bunny,s,but the owners that tread the Deerhoundy path won,t be to fussed about that,a bunny won,t fill a freezer that one run with a Deerhoundy lurcher will?and as for not liking teeth,its in the parents,its in the pups,be selective in what you initially source and the rest follows.

 

 

 

 

Seen a few over the years, a few first crosses and a few more three quarters, not one of them impressed me and to be honest put me off owning one. The original stuff came fom a guy called Andy Barron. Didn't like teeth, didn't have the stamina for an arduous course, rabbits tied them in knots.

Like you say"youve seen a few"a few is no yardstick?,they are blessed with stamina,obviously with their size possibly not best suited to bunny,s,but the owners that tread the Deerhoundy path won,t be to fussed about that,a bunny won,t fill a freezer that one run with a Deerhoundy lurcher will?and as for not liking teeth,its in the parents,its in the pups,be selective in what you initially source and the rest follows.

 

 

 

Seen a few over the years, a few first crosses and a few more three quarters, not one of them impressed me and to be honest put me off owning one. The original stuff came fom a guy called Andy Barron. Didn't like teeth, didn't have the stamina for an arduous course, rabbits tied them in knots.

Like you say"youve seen a few"a few is no yardstick?,they are blessed with stamina,obviously with their size possibly not best suited to bunny,s,but the owners that tread the Deerhoundy path won,t be to fussed about that,a bunny won,t fill a freezer that one run with a Deerhoundy lurcher will?and as for not liking teeth,its in the parents,its in the pups,be selective in what you initially source and the rest follows.

 

 

 

>Seen a few over the years, a few first crosses and a few more three quarters, not one of them impressed me and to be honest put me off owning one. The original stuff came fom a guy called Andy Barron. Didn't like teeth, didn't have the stamina for an arduous course, rabbits tied them in knots.

Like you say"youve seen a few"a few is no yardstick?,they are blessed with stamina,obviously with their size possibly not best suited to bunny,s,but the owners that tread the Deerhoundy path won,t be to fussed about that,a bunny won,t fill a freezer that one run with a Deerhoundy lurcher will?and as for not liking teeth,its in the parents,its in the pups,be selective in what you initially source and the rest follows.

 

 

Ok, I've seen quite a few, that better, says a lot when people are jumping on word termination.

So how many should I have to see before I can voice an opinion ?.

More importantly I'd add most of these dogs ( the biggest majority in fact) belonged to decent dog guys who didn't chop and change their dogs many dying of old age in their kennels and I seen most run regular over many years because regardless of their shortcomings the guys stuck with them.

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

Where's Chartpolski when you need him?

[pbrookes 450]

Instead of all this talk of dh x's not doing fox lets hear about the ones that did ?.befor the ban not long befor i stoped runing fox i had a dhx what did them single no bother i was out 5 nights a week doing them along with rabbit.hare and roe i was taking a couple a night some night 3 or 4 plus's a hand full of rabbits and a hare or two may be a roe on top of that so my piont is there are dhx's out there doing it and well.

You done some stuff for a lad of 20

[the big chief 3,099]

 

Instead of all this talk of dh x's not doing fox lets hear about the ones that did ?.befor the ban not long befor i stoped runing fox i had a dhx what did them single no bother i was out 5 nights a week doing them along with rabbit.hare and roe i was taking a couple a night some night 3 or 4 plus's a hand full of rabbits and a hare or two may be a roe on top of that so my piont is there are dhx's out there doing it and well.

You done some stuff for a lad of 20

wish i was 20 mate

[pip1968 2,490]

 

 

Instead of all this talk of dh x's not doing fox lets hear about the ones that did ?.befor the ban not long befor i stoped runing fox i had a dhx what did them single no bother i was out 5 nights a week doing them along with rabbit.hare and roe i was taking a couple a night some night 3 or 4 plus's a hand full of rabbits and a hare or two may be a roe on top of that so my piont is there are dhx's out there doing it and well.

You done some stuff for a lad of 20

wish i was 20 mate

hes got a bus pass now mate

[the big chief 3,099]

 

 

 

Instead of all this talk of dh x's not doing fox lets hear about the ones that did ?.befor the ban not long befor i stoped runing fox i had a dhx what did them single no bother i was out 5 nights a week doing them along with rabbit.hare and roe i was taking a couple a night some night 3 or 4 plus's a hand full of rabbits and a hare or two may be a roe on top of that so my piont is there are dhx's out there doing it and well.

You done some stuff for a lad of 20

wish i was 20 mate

hes got a bus pass now mate

not that old ya twat

[mick hucknell 17]

david has bred some corkers yrs ago,not sure about his dogs now but when i was younger a few of the old men had some good uns

[pattstaff 157]

Often wondered if that big deerhound in plummers books was fantasy or real. Think it was in rogues and running dogs,sounded like a dh with a right mean streak in it.

[davey 310]

I lave a pup here whip/grey x deer/grey 7months measured him last night 26tts just out of interest what height do you think he will top out at ?? Never bothered to measure other dogs as I knew I was getting tall dogs but this time I was hoping to reduce size

[shaaark 10,725]

 

 

 

 

 

Jukel you've had half a dozen or trev owns half a dozen? Robwelsh I wouldn't expect any pther type of answer off you lad. I don't know how old you are but I do know you are as green as spring grass boyo. You ded earlier in the thread your dog ain't even working properly yet haha but you know she will. You are either brand new or have never learnt nowt haha

i never said she isnt working yet. just held back on some stuff. cos i dont want to ruin her. i also said that her character wouldnt supprise me if she took well to fox work, but im not really intrested

Whether your intrested or not shouldn't stop you testing a great big dog like that 1 your pictured with.Ill be honest I don't overly like killing something that you chuck in a ditch ( I even looked up how to use fox fur! Lol ) but every 1 see my bitch will be expected to race it and deal with it. ( after being shot at )I think a lot of the people on this thread have car stickers on there back windows "I love deerhound xs" (good or bad)!I look at a Lurcher as a Lurcher regardless of breed and judge it on performance nothing else.I own a bitch that I lamp and ferret a rabbit hare dog she's a small sharp bitch she's took that spot in my team.My other bitch must deal with anything the lamp hits I prefer a dog 25 + ideally to have the power to Finnish the job fast a deerhound 1st should have fitted into that category but they didn't so now there's something else in there kennel that will be looked after right and given there chance she's 13 months now and I'm hopefull for the stubble.Robwelsh were all different but I wouldn't pose proudly with a great big dog until it had done some proper graft, looks don't kill, it's what you can't see that's beating inside thier chest that make me proud of a dog, a 30 inch dog should destroy a fox simple as that.Not a personal dig rob, just deerhound x brigade seem blinkered and ask less of there charges than some others, they always looking cracking in a photo!

where did i say in any post that she wont be tested? lol i cant see it, like i have said, its my first lurcher, i havent f****d her up yet, so taking it slowly...if thats [bANNED TEXT] with you ? lol and as far as testing goes, i wont be going out night after night just to see if she gets sick of it, or whether shes some super dog everyone chases on here....if she takes to it, she takes to it, i think she will, but still it doesnt bother me if it doesnt, not the end of the world.you say posing around with a 30 inch dog? i couldnt care if she wwas 22...25. or 32, shes my dog, what i do with her is up to me, if shes couple of months behind other crosses so be it. id rather have a quick dog, that can turn shit hot, for the trickier game, than have a dog that likes " SMASHING" foxes , wow! if i wanted to do fox work, id get a terrier...or a rifle. afterall foxes are proper pests, they are a nuisance, but you cant eat the fuckers can u? theres far more fun and TESTING to be done with a lurcher than foxing, and its edible too.maybe not a personal dig, but u say deer x brigade blinkered, ? if you ask me, they seem the least to brag, and tend to be open minded.

And it's not him in the pic, it's me. It must be the silly season, all this talk of dogs which will or won't take fox, regardless of size or breeding, is bringing out the hooligan in people! lol

Did you both decide to take up a new hobby together?

B C, I've kept and worked running dogs for 37 years, and seeing as you're only 31, that's 6 years longer than you've been alive, so no, it's not a new hobby. And my son's bitch might well be his first lurcher, but he's had a fair bit to do with me over the years, and I've helped and advised him on a few things with her, and the fact that he's doing a damned good job with her and she's heading the right way in everything she's doing, tells me he's making a better job of it than you could. She's not 30"tts, and he didn't say you need a dog that height for anything, she's almost 29"tts but still very agile and can also get down to pick up anything. At 21, he might be 10 years younger than you, but I'd make an educated guess that he knows 10 times the amount that you do. I could go on, but I really can't be bothered. The fact is with him she won't be rushed, pressured, or'TESTED' til she's sick on any quarry, and then passed on! To me, there's a few lads on here, such as morton, kranky, gaffer and a couple of others, that know how to get the best out of DEER/GREY and DEER/GREYXCOLLIE/GREY X'S, and you are not one of em. Have a nice day

Edited April 1, 2013 by shaaark

[baldockbanks courser 598]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jukel you've had half a dozen or trev owns half a dozen? Robwelsh I wouldn't expect any pther type of answer off you lad. I don't know how old you are but I do know you are as green as spring grass boyo. You ded earlier in the thread your dog ain't even working properly yet haha but you know she will. You are either brand new or have never learnt nowt haha

i never said she isnt working yet. just held back on some stuff. cos i dont want to ruin her. i also said that her character wouldnt supprise me if she took well to fox work, but im not really intrested

Whether your intrested or not shouldn't stop you testing a great big dog like that 1 your pictured with.Ill be honest I don't overly like killing something that you chuck in a ditch ( I even looked up how to use fox fur! Lol ) but every 1 see my bitch will be expected to race it and deal with it. ( after being shot at )I think a lot of the people on this thread have car stickers on there back windows "I love deerhound xs" (good or bad)!I look at a Lurcher as a Lurcher regardless of breed and judge it on performance nothing else.I own a bitch that I lamp and ferret a rabbit hare dog she's a small sharp bitch she's took that spot in my team.My other bitch must deal with anything the lamp hits I prefer a dog 25 + ideally to have the power to Finnish the job fast a deerhound 1st should have fitted into that category but they didn't so now there's something else in there kennel that will be looked after right and given there chance she's 13 months now and I'm hopefull for the stubble.Robwelsh were all different but I wouldn't pose proudly with a great big dog until it had done some proper graft, looks don't kill, it's what you can't see that's beating inside thier chest that make me proud of a dog, a 30 inch dog should destroy a fox simple as that.Not a personal dig rob, just deerhound x brigade seem blinkered and ask less of there charges than some others, they always looking cracking in a photo!

where did i say in any post that she wont be tested? lol i cant see it, like i have said, its my first lurcher, i havent f****d her up yet, so taking it slowly...if thats [bANNED TEXT] with you ? lol and as far as testing goes, i wont be going out night after night just to see if she gets sick of it, or whether shes some super dog everyone chases on here....if she takes to it, she takes to it, i think she will, but still it doesnt bother me if it doesnt, not the end of the world.you say posing around with a 30 inch dog? i couldnt care if she wwas 22...25. or 32, shes my dog, what i do with her is up to me, if shes couple of months behind other crosses so be it. id rather have a quick dog, that can turn shit hot, for the trickier game, than have a dog that likes " SMASHING" foxes , wow! if i wanted to do fox work, id get a terrier...or a rifle. afterall foxes are proper pests, they are a nuisance, but you cant eat the fuckers can u? theres far more fun and TESTING to be done with a lurcher than foxing, and its edible too.maybe not a personal dig, but u say deer x brigade blinkered, ? if you ask me, they seem the least to brag, and tend to be open minded.

And it's not him in the pic, it's me. It must be the silly season, all this talk of dogs which will or won't take fox, regardless of size or breeding, is bringing out the hooligan in people! lol

Did you both decide to take up a new hobby together?

B C, I've kept and worked running dogs for 37 years, and seeing as you're only 31, that's 6 years longer than you've been alive, so no, it's not a new hobby. And my son's bitch might well be his first lurcher, but he's had a fair bit to do with me over the years, and I've helped and advised him on a few things with her, and the fact that he's doing a damned good job with her and she's heading the right way in everything she's doing, tells me he's making a better job of it than you could. She's not 30"tts, and he didn't say you need a dog that height for anything, she's almost 29"tts but still very agile and can also get down to pick up anything. At 21, he might be 10 years younger than you, but I'd make an educated guess that he knows 10 times the amount that you do. I could go on, but I really can't be bothered. The fact is with him she won't be rushed, pressured, or'TESTED' til she's sick on any quarry, and then passed on! To me, there's a few lads on here, such as morton, kranky, gaffer and a couple of others, that know how to get the best out of DEER/GREY and DEER/GREYXCOLLIE/GREY X'S, and you are not one of em. Have a nice day

Should have give him a dog when he was young shouldn't you then he might have some genuine experience in the field. If someone's intrested in working dogs they'd get 1 at the first possible opportunity if there keen, I did and my dad didn't even keep them so I feed worked and looked after it myself. As I hope my son will, as soon as he shows me he can hold a dog and will look after it he can have 1 of what ever x HE DECIDES I'm not blinkered,

no wonder most deerhound xs aren't worth a cup of cold water with all these excuse merchants owning them!

 

An educated guess?

You'v never seen me spoken to me any one whos been out with me or seen any of my dogs, very educated yes.