Who Has The Better Deerhound X,s ? David Platts Or Cooklands..?

[the big chief 3,099]

Its well known that both platt and cookland don't work there dogs. Id steer well clear of deerhounds and there crosses. They okay for a. Weekend hunter put them in the hands ofvguys who want to push an test there dogs an most fail. Id go with a lurcher with a dash of deerhound blood if it was wanted. Only good thing about deerhounds an there crosses is there nice nature.. bet this goes down well haha but its my opinion based on experience

they both work there dogs dave not so mutch but they do work them where you pull that info from off other threads what people who dont no them at all ffs

[morton 5,368]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seems to me that some folks on here dont like the truth of other peoples experiences with the deerhoundx. Sounds to me like hot meat has had a bad time with them. Then when he openly admits it..he gets slated for it. If the truth is known then the deerhoundx seems to throw the most failures/not meeting expectations across the running dog spectrum. I'll gladly admit that this is the case in my experience with said x..atb NMF

Deerhound crosses,the mix is the most important part,hold their own in any company,on any chosen quarry.I prefer the addition of Border collie.In my experience,based on over 30 years graft with the breed,i would own no other type lurcher.Ive seen outstanding lurchers of various breeding,yet the Deerhound types,bred right,with the collie influence in my case,entered right and tested right,have few equals.Ive seen many quality lurchers make duffers because of the kennel they live in,its the same with any lurcher,if its bred from grafters a good kennel will get graft out of the mutt.

You've just hit the nail on the head there mate...you've out crossed the deer to a collie...so in essence you aint got a straight deer/grey cross or variation of it. The best of the bunch i seen was a deer/grey x beddy/grey..and even then i wouldnt have had it in my kennel..i am far from slating the breed ..just stating that i aint seen any that gave me the "wow i want one" factor..atb NMF

Any Deerhound about now have something else in the mix,if the breeders going to be honest,working types especially.I chuckle when people state that because they,ve never come across a good un,there can,t be any.Thats reflects the attitude of some now,if i wanted a good un of any mix,then id put in the miles,get out with the lads testing them and source from honest stock,rather than slate a breed because the initial stock was not what properly reflected the type.

In all fairness if i'd have seen one that was up to scratch then i'd be the first to say so..some of the dogs i seen go out were in the hands of capable dog men who seemed to have the knack of gettin the best out of their charges..granted on edible quarry they were ok..but for all round work ..which at that time counted foxes in the mix then they were wanting for want of a better word..if looks could kill then the deerhound x would be the top of the tree..but sadly that aint the case atb NMF

How many Deerhound type lurchers have you owned,trained and entered?,more importantly how much effort and time did you put into the initial stock,or your muckers?.If looks could kill then a Deerhoundy type would be the last that would reflect whats under the jacket.

Not owned 1..why? because of my above posts..now if they floated my boat then my kennel would be full of them. The lads i know that owned them were/and still are top dog men in most ways you could count. atb NMF

I try to base any input i give on experiences in the field,good or bad,if ive not owned,trained and entered a certain type lurcher,then i don,t enter an opinion,as it is basically flawed,no proper foundation.If i went on what id seen others run,or was unduly influenced by it,id give up with lurchers.

[Hot Meat 3,109]

I spoke to platts at last years edrd gafer. I don't carry gossip I'm sorry. I take it you keep deerhoundx's. Try phoneing platt after a pup and he will tell you anything you want to hear. However phone him and ask him to see his dogs graft an hee wil tell you he ain't got time to graft then these days. Even if you promise to buy the whole litter off the grafters haha

[jukel123 7,977]

I sometimes think the reason this site is called THL is because the members hunt each other all night via their computer mouse.

I wonder what the record number of posts is before the thread turns nasty/personal?

Edited March 30, 2013 by jukel123

[the big chief 3,099]

I spoke to platts at last years edrd gafer. I don't carry gossip I'm sorry. I take it you keep deerhoundx's. Try phoneing platt after a pup and he will tell you anything you want to hear. However phone him and ask him to see his dogs graft an hee wil tell you he ain't got time to graft then these days. Even if you promise to buy the whole litter off the grafters haha

i no dave speek regular and own one of his dogs he dunt do as mutch as he used to but does abit i defo no trev does a fair bit with his

[saluki bulls 118]

I have had the experience of a platt bred dh/gh. First of all my fone bill was through the roof. The bloke can talk lol. I travelled 3hrs for the pup because at the tym 2002 had reali set my heart on a dh/gh. Brought the pup bk home dog pup it was. Ryt from the word go was reali hard work just did what it wanted to and i put alot of tym into it. Only dog thats ever made me loose the plot lol. I started the dog on the lamp about 12month old and it struggled. This dog was 29tts and didnt like to jump. You can imagine haveing to lift it over fences all nyt long. At 2yr old after putting loads n loads of tym into it. the dog Couldnt turn properly it had the turning circle of a bus. Didnt lyk teeth. Got straight lined on long ears. It Couldnt catch a rabbit in a fone box to tell u the truth. Its time was up when i pulled a roe off a fence for em and he just stood ther a watched it run off. This myt just be a one off but i would never buy a pup in off this breeding again. The dog was 5 generatin dh/gh firstx to firstx put back to firstx. Dam was called belle and sire was called raven.

[jukel123 7,977]

 

I spoke to platts at last years edrd gafer. I don't carry gossip I'm sorry. I take it you keep deerhoundx's. Try phoneing platt after a pup and he will tell you anything you want to hear. However phone him and ask him to see his dogs graft an hee wil tell you he ain't got time to graft then these days. Even if you promise to buy the whole litter off the grafters haha

i no dave speek regular and own one of his dogs he dunt do as mutch as he used to but does abit i defo no trev does a fair bit with his

How many dogs does he have in his kennel mate?

[Hot Meat 3,109]

always finish in feb time the coldness was gone tho

A fair bit with half a dozen single handed dogs. Fair play the man must have a time machine or something haha I'll tell yous what guys I'll leave this thread and let you guys fool yourselves and each other. But my last words of wisdom on the subject before I leave is to any new comers who want this type. Do not take a pup unless you have seen the parents graft and preferably a few times...jukel I never insulted anybody it was me that they tried to belittle

[Hot Meat 3,109]

I don't know I quoted that post. I'm new to computers please forgive me

[morton 5,368]

I have had the experience of a platt bred dh/gh. First of all my fone bill was through the roof. The bloke can talk lol. I travelled 3hrs for the pup because at the tym 2002 had reali set my heart on a dh/gh. Brought the pup bk home dog pup it was. Ryt from the word go was reali hard work just did what it wanted to and i put alot of tym into it. Only dog thats ever made me loose the plot lol. I started the dog on the lamp about 12month old and it struggled. This dog was 29tts and didnt like to jump. You can imagine haveing to lift it over fences all nyt long. At 2yr old after putting loads n loads of tym into it. the dog Couldnt turn properly it had the turning circle of a bus. Didnt lyk teeth. Got straight lined on long ears. It Couldnt catch a rabbit in a fone box to tell u the truth. Its time was up when i pulled a roe off a fence for em and he just stood ther a watched it run off. This myt just be a one off but i would never buy a pup in off this breeding again. The dog was 5 generatin dh/gh firstx to firstx put back to firstx. Dam was called belle and sire was called raven.

Thats an harsh lesson mucker,money time and effort that would have bourne fruit with a pup from genuine grafters,bred from grafters.Id never own a pup unless i actually witnessed at least one of the parents tested,not always possible,but easier to walk away from a breeder thats unwilling to show a dog at work,than it is to part with brass on a chancer.

[the big chief 3,099]

 

 

I spoke to platts at last years edrd gafer. I don't carry gossip I'm sorry. I take it you keep deerhoundx's. Try phoneing platt after a pup and he will tell you anything you want to hear. However phone him and ask him to see his dogs graft an hee wil tell you he ain't got time to graft then these days. Even if you promise to buy the whole litter off the grafters haha

i no dave speek regular and own one of his dogs he dunt do as mutch as he used to but does abit i defo no trev does a fair bit with his

How many dogs does he have in his kennel mate?

i couldnt tell you mate he ant got as many as people says though when i got mine he had 5

[Lost Generation 93]

Experience - well Hot Meat I was in my mid-teens when I started and I got my first lurchers and terriers in the early 1970's and have worked them on a daily basis since then, so I'm coming up to my 40th year as a lurcherman. I have had bull and bedlington crosses, collie-crosses and saluki-blooded coursing dogs (I won and lost a lot of money with them in the late 1970's- early 1980's) as well as deerhound blooded dogs and a variety of pure-breds. I have seen literally thousands of dogs work and have learned not to generalise from small samples of experience.

 

Anyone who has belonged to these forums for any length of time will have seen lots of newbies come and go. You have a very unfortunate manner about you at the moment, these are meant to be forums for discussing dogs and dog work and it would probably help if you tried to work on toning down your unfortunate combination of arrogance, dismissiveness and aggression, so you would come over as someone interested in learning about working dogs rather than an arsey young lad trying to build some kind of reputation.

[Hot Meat 3,109]

Says the man who insulted me. You keep making assumption lad. It suits you. I said I won't be replying anymore so please remove me from your conversation about these wonderdogs....

[baldockbanks courser 598]

 

 

Jukel you've had half a dozen or trev owns half a dozen? Robwelsh I wouldn't expect any pther type of answer off you lad. I don't know how old you are but I do know you are as green as spring grass boyo. You ded earlier in the thread your dog ain't even working properly yet haha but you know she will. You are either brand new or have never learnt nowt haha

i never said she isnt working yet. just held back on some stuff. cos i dont want to ruin her. i also said that her character wouldnt supprise me if she took well to fox work, but im not really intrested

Whether your intrested or not shouldn't stop you testing a great big dog like that 1 your pictured with.

 

Ill be honest I don't overly like killing something that you chuck in a ditch ( I even looked up how to use fox fur! Lol ) but every 1 see my bitch will be expected to race it and deal with it. ( after being shot at )

 

I think a lot of the people on this thread have car stickers on there back windows "I love deerhound xs" (good or bad)!

 

I look at a Lurcher as a Lurcher regardless of breed and judge it on performance nothing else.

 

I own a bitch that I lamp and ferret a rabbit hare dog she's a small sharp bitch she's took that spot in my team.

My other bitch must deal with anything the lamp hits I prefer a dog 25 + ideally to have the power to Finnish the job fast a deerhound 1st should have fitted into that category but they didn't so now there's something else in there kennel that will be looked after right and given there chance she's 13 months now and I'm hopefull for the stubble.

 

Robwelsh were all different but I wouldn't pose proudly with a great big dog until it had done some proper graft, looks don't kill, it's what you can't see that's beating inside thier chest that make me proud of a dog, a 30 inch dog should destroy a fox simple as that.

 

Not a personal dig rob, just deerhound x brigade seem blinkered and ask less of there charges than some others, they always looking cracking in a photo!

Edited March 30, 2013 by baldockbanks courser

[robwelsh 354]

 

 

 

Jukel you've had half a dozen or trev owns half a dozen? Robwelsh I wouldn't expect any pther type of answer off you lad. I don't know how old you are but I do know you are as green as spring grass boyo. You ded earlier in the thread your dog ain't even working properly yet haha but you know she will. You are either brand new or have never learnt nowt haha

i never said she isnt working yet. just held back on some stuff. cos i dont want to ruin her. i also said that her character wouldnt supprise me if she took well to fox work, but im not really intrested

Whether your intrested or not shouldn't stop you testing a great big dog like that 1 your pictured with.

 

Ill be honest I don't overly like killing something that you chuck in a ditch ( I even looked up how to use fox fur! Lol ) but every 1 see my bitch will be expected to race it and deal with it. ( after being shot at )

 

I think a lot of the people on this thread have car stickers on there back windows "I love deerhound xs" (good or bad)!

 

I look at a Lurcher as a Lurcher regardless of breed and judge it on performance nothing else.

 

I own a bitch that I lamp and ferret a rabbit hare dog she's a small sharp bitch she's took that spot in my team.

My other bitch must deal with anything the lamp hits I prefer a dog 25 + ideally to have the power to Finnish the job fast a deerhound 1st should have fitted into that category but they didn't so now there's something else in there kennel that will be looked after right and given there chance she's 13 months now and I'm hopefull for the stubble.

 

Robwelsh were all different but I wouldn't pose proudly with a great big dog until it had done some proper graft, looks don't kill, it's what you can't see that's beating inside thier chest that make me proud of a dog, a 30 inch dog should destroy a fox simple as that.

 

Not a personal dig rob, just deerhound x brigade seem blinkered and ask less of there charges than some others, they always looking cracking in a photo!

where did i say in any post that she wont be tested? lol i cant see it, like i have said, its my first lurcher, i havent f****d her up yet, so taking it slowly...if thats [bANNED TEXT] with you ? lol and as far as testing goes, i wont be going out night after night just to see if she gets sick of it, or whether shes some super dog everyone chases on here....if she takes to it, she takes to it, i think she will, but still it doesnt bother me if it doesnt, not the end of the world.

you say posing around with a 30 inch dog? i couldnt care if she wwas 22...25. or 32, shes my dog, what i do with her is up to me, if shes couple of months behind other crosses so be it. id rather have a quick dog, that can turn shit hot, for the trickier game, than have a dog that likes " SMASHING" foxes , wow! if i wanted to do fox work, id get a terrier...or a rifle. afterall foxes are proper pests, they are a nuisance, but you cant eat the fuckers can u? theres far more fun and TESTING to be done with a lurcher than foxing, and its edible too.

 

maybe not a personal dig, but u say deer x brigade blinkered, ? if you ask me, they seem the least to brag, and tend to be open minded.

 

Edited March 30, 2013 by robwelsh