Fac Air Rifle

[stillair1 16]

 

Why limit yourself at 25ftlb in .22, your in middle ground. Probably too hot for 14gn pellets unless you are very lucky, too low for 16+gn pellets. The advantage of fac air is to flattern the trajectory. A rapid running at 30-33ftlb will give you a better setup and make the most of a jsb 16gn or 18gn variants.

 

Is this a wind up......

 

.... 25ft lb is too hot for 14g and too low for 16+g pellets!

 

And the advantage of FAC is to flatten the trajectory?

Sorry typo error, it should read fac air.

 

My experience using fac air comes from over 25yrs using hw80's, early daystate midas, eliminators in .20/.22 and laterly fac rapids in .177 and .22 cal. The 14gn .22 pellets tend to go inaccurate much past 20 ftlb. You may find a barrel that will run them at 25/30ftlb straight, but in my experiences it'll be very lucky.

So we are left with three main contenders in .22. These being barrcudas at 21gn and more recently the 16gn 18gn jsb variants.

The advantage of fac air is to flattern the trajectory. If you start body shooting rabbits with 30ftlb fac air, you'll get runners, so humanely it's head shots as it is with 12ftlb. Within the limits of normal rated fac air rifles 20-35ftlb, if you can flattern the trajectory whilst keeping the accuracy it will help you extend the range you can engage effectively.

Running a .22 at 800fps with 21gn pellets not surprisngly gives you a near identical trajectory to 12ftlb 8gn pellet in .177 . Using a lot more air you can get this pellet upto 40ftlb and +900fps to flattern the trajectory curve. But in reality the same performance can be had with the lighter

16gn pellet at 33ftlb and the rifle will shoot a lot sweeter.

So back to the op running at 25ftlb, great if you can find a 14gn pellet to run true, but I'd put money on 16gn being the lightest that will go straight and at 850fps, your barely running quicker or flatter than a 7.9gn jsb at 12ftlb.If you only want to go out to 60yds, consider dropping to 20ftlb and 14gn. I would look at the fx cyclone in fac with it's three position adjustable power setting. High setting iirc is 26ftlb, mid is 18ftlb.

Do not confuse the performance of a 30ftlb air rifle with the authority of a 40gn.22lr sub. The first will get you 70yd head shots on rabbits in ideal conditions. The latter is effective with head or upper body shots some way past that.

Edited March 22, 2013 by stillair1

[Deker 3,478]

 

 

Why limit yourself at 25ftlb in .22, your in middle ground. Probably too hot for 14gn pellets unless you are very lucky, too low for 16+gn pellets. The advantage of fac air is to flattern the trajectory. A rapid running at 30-33ftlb will give you a better setup and make the most of a jsb 16gn or 18gn variants.

 

Is this a wind up......

 

.... 25ft lb is too hot for 14g and too low for 16+g pellets!

 

And the advantage of FAC is to flatten the trajectory?

Sorry typo error, it should read fac air.

 

My experience using fac air comes from over 25yrs using hw80's, early daystate midas, eliminators in .20/.22 and laterly fac rapids in .177 and .22 cal. The 14gn .22 pellets tend to go inaccurate much past 20 ftlb. You may find a barrel that will run them at 25/30ftlb straight, but in my experiences it'll be very lucky.

So we are left with three main contenders in .22. These being barrcudas at 21gn and more recently the 16gn 18gn jsb variants.

The advantage of fac air is to flattern the trajectory. If you start body shooting rabbits with 30ftlb fac air, you'll get runners, so humanely it's head shots as it is with 12ftlb. Within the limits of normal rated fac air rifles 20-35ftlb, if you can flattern the trajectory whilst keeping the accuracy it will help you extend the range you can engage effectively.

Running a .22 at 800fps with 21gn pellets not surprisngly gives you a near identical trajectory to 12ftlb 8gn pellet in .177 . Using a lot more air you can get this pellet upto 40ftlb and +900fps to flattern the trajectory curve. But in reality the same performance can be had with the lighter

16gn pellet at 33ftlb and the rifle will shoot a lot sweeter.

So back to the op running at 25ftlb, great if you can find a 14gn pellet to run true, but I'd put money on 16gn being the lightest that will go straight and at 850fps, your barely running quicker or flatter than a 7.9gn jsb at 12ftlb.If you only want to go out to 60yds, consider dropping to 20ftlb and 14gn. I would look at the fx cyclone in fac with it's three position adjustable power setting. High setting iirc is 26ftlb, mid is 18ftlb.

Do not confuse the performance of a 30ftlb air rifle with the authority of a 40gn.22lr sub. The first will get you 70yd head shots on rabbits in ideal conditions. The latter is effective with head or upper body shots some way past that.

 

I am struggling with that on many levels, you have only just found 16-18g JSB and you never heard of AA Field at 16g either?

 

You said 14g was too light and 16g+ too heavy, rubbish! My Daystate Huntsman single shot PCP from around 1996/7 ran around 33ft lb and put Crossman accupells at 14.3g hole on hole at 40 yards.

 

Most half decent 14-15g pellets (a lot of choice) work just fine at 25ft lb and 16g is excellent, we are not talking 21g at 25ft lb, you said 14g was too low and 16g too high!

 

What is all this about trajectory, nobody goes FAC air for the trajectory unless they can't shoot, FAC air gives greater stopping power and/or potentially moves the range up a bit, and of course you can stop a bunny with heart lung shots with 25 or 30ft lb.

 

Who said anything about chucking "body" shots at rabbits? Who is talking about going FAC air to get the trajectory of a 7g .177? Who is talking about .22lr?

 

Fieldcraft and knowing your guns and ammo are the important factors, not a pile of charts!

Edited March 22, 2013 by Deker

[moxy 617]

Well put decker.

 

I have a rapid that shoots accurately and consistently at around 25 ft/lb with both 16gr and 21gr. Brand dependant.

 

What nobody's touched on is fill pressures but I'm presuming were assuming! That all rifles are regged??

 

I didn't get FAC for a flatter trajectory. More for greater stoping power and a little extra range. Whilst remaining accurate and consistent.

[moxy 617]

To add. It will do accupels too but they start to tumble beyond 50 yds

[woz 260]

Iv run accupells at mid 30's through a daystate on hellium...they were great..

[paulus 26]

my .20 ran logun penetrators 15.6g @27ft lbs no problems logun also do a .22 in 20.5g

[Adrian Prisk 6]

thanks for the replies,i will narrow my choices down to rapid,aa,410/510,possible s10 although ive heard these are very heavy,daystate out of my price range. nice to know 25fpe and 16grn pellets is doable. i will be happy to hear of other fac air rifle reccomentations,thanks

[Deker 3,478]

thanks for the replies,i will narrow my choices down to rapid,aa,410/510,possible s10 although ive heard these are very heavy,daystate out of my price range. nice to know 25fpe and 16grn pellets is doable. i will be happy to hear of other fac air rifle reccomentations,thanks

 

 

I currently run a lot of different rifles from 12ft lb to .308 and shotguns. My FAC Air is a Falcon FN19 Skeleton, it runs between 25-26ft lb, depends on the time of year (yes, there is a little fluctuation from freezing to very hot) it has run on AA Field, assorted slightly lighter and Bisley Magnum. For me and my requirements it runs a treat on AA Fields 5.51 at 16g.

 

Tell me it doesn't...........

 

ATB!

Edited March 23, 2013 by Deker

[stillair1 16]

I'm not saying 16gn at 25ftlb is no good Deker, just that it's possible to run the 16gn quicker whilst retaining accuracy. If you read my first post it says "16/18gn jsb variants" which I take to include all the rebadged stuff.

Apparently Moxy has found accupells not so good either at 25ftlb in his setup, so I'm not talking complete tosh. I don't rely on chairgunner either, just real world time on cardboard

To the original poster Adrian, my advice is buyer beware s/h fac air, there are a lot of dogs out there especially rapids that have been home tuned and never will now reach their true potential if the action has been mullered. A new Theoben block from the states will not be cheap, a Dawson action even dearer( though lovely).

Anyways roll on the spring weather where we can get out and shoot.

[woz 260]

 

 

thanks for the replies,i will narrow my choices down to rapid,aa,410/510,possible s10 although ive heard these are very heavy,daystate out of my price range. nice to know 25fpe and 16grn pellets is doable. i will be happy to hear of other fac air rifle reccomentations,thanks

 

I currently run a lot of different rifles from 12ft lb to .308 and shotguns. My FAC Air is a Falcon FN19 Skeleton, it runs between 25-26ft lb, depends on the time of year (yes, there is a little fluctuation from freezing to very hot) it has run on AA Field, assorted slightly lighter and Bisley Magnum. For me and my requirements it runs a treat on AA Fields 5.51 at 16g.

 

Tell me it doesn't...........

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ATB!

Were they all out the same tree????

[moxy 617]

Stillair. There's nothing apparent about it.

Either you chose the wrong word to start that paragraph or your doubting my comment.

 

Which is it?

[PLEDGEY 496]

 

thanks for the replies,i will narrow my choices down to rapid,aa,410/510,possible s10 although ive heard these are very heavy,daystate out of my price range. nice to know 25fpe and 16grn pellets is doable. i will be happy to hear of other fac air rifle reccomentations,thanks

 

 

I currently run a lot of different rifles from 12ft lb to .308 and shotguns. My FAC Air is a Falcon FN19 Skeleton, it runs between 25-26ft lb, depends on the time of year (yes, there is a little fluctuation from freezing to very hot) it has run on AA Field, assorted slightly lighter and Bisley Magnum. For me and my requirements it runs a treat on AA Fields 5.51 at 16g.

 

Tell me it doesn't...........

Squirrel3aa.edit.jpgImgp2401aar.jpg

 

ATB!

If you skinned all them you could then sew them together and make a big 'ol 'Pimp Daddy' full length coat :-)

[dadioles 68]

Hello everyone,

This is a sincerely asked question and I am not looking for an argument but can someone explain to me the point of FAC air? I have never fired FAC air.

 

I have a Rapid .17 sub12ftlb and it is a wonderful rifle, possibly still my favourite although now only used on targets and to introduce others to shooting. Before getting my firearms licence I used it on rabbits but was frustrated by the limited range and all too often the rabbit would wriggle back into its hole before dying.

 

Now (several years, open ticket) I have .22LR (dayscope) .22LR (night vision) and .17HMR (dayscope) and would not consider using anything with less power against rabbits.

 

I did consider converting my Rapid to FAC but it would reduce its value considerably and I could not see any benefit.

 

Just taking the .22LR as an example. I feel sure that it is at least as quiet as FAC air and possibly quieter? It is considerably lighter to carry (no air bottle under the barrel). You do not need to re-fill an air bottle or worry about diving cylinders becoming out of test. A .22LR such as CZ is much cheaper to purchase than an air rifle and the associated charging kit (much cheaper!).

Ok, .22LR bullets do cost more than .22 pellets but I really don't think that makes too much difference. I last paid £12 for 50 Hornady v-max 17g and £5 for 50 SK Subs.

 

Broadly speaking, I use my .17 Rapid for rats and targets and general "stuff" in the garden and for (mostly indoor) pigeons at the local farm, range to about 35 yards.

My .22LR with day scope is used on rabbits out to about yards, but more often at about 30 to 60 yards during the day.

My .22LR with dedicated night vision is used against rabbits mostly between 35 and 55 yards at night. I tend only to head shoot rabbits and the limited magnification of the night vision makes anything further away than 55 yards too difficult for head shots (too small). Judging distance at night is quite challenging but zeroed at 50 yards it effectively shoots flat.

My .17HMR is devastating for rabbits (head shots again) out to, say, 120 yards (normally at about yards) during the day but too noisy for use at night, it is zeroed at 100 yards and effectively shoots flat. When required purely for pest control rather than eating, body shots at up to 150 yards are possible.

 

So where would FAC air fit in? You have been through the hoops getting a licence and if you do not already have the air cylinder why go to that trouble and expense when all you need is a .22LR and a box of bullets to smack 40grains of lead onto your target instead of maybe 16grains with FAC air?

 

Oh, and one reason I like my Rapid so much is that it shoots the same no matter how much air is in the cylinder. There is none of this nonsense about "the sweet spot". It is beautifully regulated with an excellent trigger. Shooting peanuts off cocktail sticks at 35 yards is quite fun.

 

Best wishes

 

Les

[zx10mike 137]

i run an fac air for more power and flatter trajectory so i can't shoot

[Adrian Prisk 6]

Iam going for fac air because flatter line,a bit more knock down power,I will then feel more confident taking shots at the 50/60 yard range,(I don't need all the power and risk of ricoche from 22 lr around livestock,a lot of lambs at moment ),elevated shots,( not permitted with live rounds ) I done a bit of reading up and a 25 fpe air rifle will max out at 438 yrds and retain 0.848 fpe,a 22 lr will reach 2000 yards and retain 9.7fpe,wow that's a long way and will still do a lot of damage. Personally iam not ready for that yet who knows after a year or so with my fac air I might feel the need and have the confidence for 22 lr . I already have 12 ltr dive tank ,so 300/400 quid for rifle I will need to find. I have a mate who uses shot guns and a 22 varmint ? which I held and it did feel nice ,and lighter then my t10 scorpion . Iam new to fac so if any of the above is not true please let me know ,always willing to learn thanks