pie-eater 377 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) . Edited March 28, 2013 by pie-eater Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 ive come to the conclusion that the old tried and tested stout walking stick is a handy accessory and can in most cases help to avoid these situations hats off to you fella's that can seperate two 60 pound plus brutes . the above post apeared as i was typeing this. takin a knife out with you is stupid and carries a lengthy custodial sentence. well said. Nobodys going to stop 2 60lb plus dogs that really mean it.Not single handed.And definately not with the techniques quoted on this thread. The thumb up the bum is a great technique, for getting a smelly thumb!!! Damn i forgot that one......along with covering the dogs nostrils of course ! My Grandad told me you stick your arm down their throat, grab the inside of their tail then pull them inside out. Works for tigers too, I believe. .....Yeah same with the guys that say "In the event of a shark attack poke it in the eye!!".....or in other words try hitting it with your stump cause thats all you have f***ing left... what happens if your a thalidomyde and cant reach its eyes Stick the heed on it!!... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Keswick 119 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Selotape sauages to its nose, take is mindopf from biting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambay5 191 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 same thing happened to me 13years ago out ferreting a river bank where i live some cu*nt of the same race as this fella! with staffy/pit started to attack my old deerhoundx made a right mess of her belly!! £250 at the vets! for starters then a another £150 for follow ups!! god knows what happened to the other dog! but did not look 2 well after my mate hit it over the head with the grafter 4 times!! always take a stick out with me now. dont blame the dog its the bellend with the lead in his hand to blame!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,067 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 ive come to the conclusion that the old tried and tested stout walking stick is a handy accessory and can in most cases help to avoid these situations hats off to you fella's that can seperate two 60 pound plus brutes . the above post apeared as i was typeing this. takin a knife out with you is stupid and carries a lengthy custodial sentence. well said. Nobodys going to stop 2 60lb plus dogs that really mean it.Not single handed.And definately not with the techniques quoted on this thread. The thumb up the bum is a great technique, for getting a smelly thumb!!! Damn i forgot that one......along with covering the dogs nostrils of course ! My Grandad told me you stick your arm down their throat, grab the inside of their tail then pull them inside out. Works for tigers too, I believe. Your just being silly now that would never work.............................tigers are at least 5 foot long most mens arms are barely half that !.....anyway tigers tend to rip and slash when they bite not grab and hold so your grandad dont know what he,s on about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 ive come to the conclusion that the old tried and tested stout walking stick is a handy accessory and can in most cases help to avoid these situations hats off to you fella's that can seperate two 60 pound plus brutes . the above post apeared as i was typeing this. takin a knife out with you is stupid and carries a lengthy custodial sentence. well said. Nobodys going to stop 2 60lb plus dogs that really mean it.Not single handed.And definately not with the techniques quoted on this thread. The thumb up the bum is a great technique, for getting a smelly thumb!!! Damn i forgot that one......along with covering the dogs nostrils of course ! My Grandad told me you stick your arm down their throat, grab the inside of their tail then pull them inside out. Works for tigers too, I believe. Your just being silly now that would never work.............................tigers are at least 5 foot long most mens arms are barely half that !.....anyway tigers tend to rip and slash when they bite not grab and hold so your grandad dont know what he,s on about That's what you think. He told me he once worked as a lion and tiger tamer. And he had very long arms. Who looks silly now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 95% of dog fights are just that ..fights.....its the other 5% that dont want to fight..they want to kill...kick punch nip bite sexually molest all you want..if a bull blooded dog is hell bent on flipping then the only quick way is a break stick..if its 2 bull blooded dogs at it then tough shit..get stuck in straight away coz the longer you leave them the more wound up they're gunna get...it amazes me the amount of bull blooded dog owners who have no idea how to at least separate their own dog should it decide to take a hold..the more you thrash it..the more it'll chomp down...nice steady and calm and a quick click with the right tool will see it release in less than a second...food for thought maybe..atb NMF 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve123 29 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 ive come to the conclusion that the old tried and tested stout walking stick is a handy accessory and can in most cases help to avoid these situations hats off to you fella's that can seperate two 60 pound plus brutes . the above post apeared as i was typeing this. takin a knife out with you is stupid and carries a lengthy custodial sentence. well said. Nobodys going to stop 2 60lb plus dogs that really mean it.Not single handed.And definately not with the techniques quoted on this thread. The thumb up the bum is a great technique, for getting a smelly thumb!!! Damn i forgot that one......along with covering the dogs nostrils of course ! dont forget a bucket of cold water Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid 935 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 How does a break stick work, im guessing you dont break it over the dogs head, as most bull types wouldnt even notice., do you put it in its mouth and twist, or lever it, or is the idea to get the dog to bite onto the stick instead, can any one explain, every time i've heard of it on here it seem to be a given as to how to use one ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cleanspade 3,322 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) i think in most situations you wont have a dog fight to deal with . you will generally have an attacker and the other will be defending itself . or struggling to get away. Edited March 19, 2013 by Cleanspade Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,518 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 How does a break stick work, im guessing you dont break it over the dogs head, as most bull types wouldnt even notice., do you put it in its mouth and twist, or lever it, or is the idea to get the dog to bite onto the stick instead, can any one explain, every time i've heard of it on here it seem to be a given as to how to use one ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eMvwG1L1cQ not the best vid of how to use one but shows you 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,518 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 ENZO - Two sides to every story by Steff Novell (Notes) on Sunday, March 24, 2013 at 6:19pm As a rational adult I know there are always two sides to every story. As a dog owner I know that incidents between two dogs can happen but not without reason. These reasons are not always apparent to humans. As a Staffordshire Bull Terrier owner I know people can make unfounded judgements. For these reasons, when the pictures and post from the owner of Spot, were shared on Facebook I refused to contribute to what became a viral manhunt campaign. Assumptions were made regarding dog fighting. There was gossip, hearsay, racism as well as negativity against the bull breed in general. I was shocked and disgusted by some of the comments I was seeing. I was so disgusted that I ended up willing my friends and rescue contacts not to share the post until all of the facts were known. Eventually, when the post did pop up in my news feed, I tried to remind people that we didn't know all of the facts and that accusations of deliberate dog fighting were just that, accusations and assumptions. I also felt compelled to find the owner of the dog being brandished a devil dog to get his version of events and dispel any rumours of him having any connection to dog fighting. Being local to the area I have been able to do this and here is his version of events – WITHOUT PREJUDICE His name is Enzo, a Staffordshire Bull Terrier cross American Bulldog and he is a family dog. He was taken in by his 20 year old university student owner when he was being given away at the age of 4/5 months and not in the best condition. Enzo is his first dog. He took good care of Enzo and got him back up to full health. Enzo is a great dog around people (including children) and female dogs. As an un-neutered adolescent male dog he wasn’t that great with other male dogs, which, as most dog owners know isn't unusual. For this reason, he was always walked on a choke chain and lead because he pulls (please note – I do not condone the use of full choke chains but understand that people do use them as training tools). On the day in question, Friday the 15th of March, Enzo was out with his owner for a walk around the Ouse Valley Golf Club area in Biddenham on his choke chain and lead. They were about 20 metres away from Spot and his owner when Spot started barking. This alerted Enzo to Spot's presence. Enzo had not been pulling on his choke chain (so it was loose) and he backed up. This action meant that he was able to get free from his collar. Enzo ran over to Spot, who was off lead, and his owner ran after him. The two dogs became involved in a fight and despite what the photographs on Facebook show, Spot was fighting back. Enzo’s owner estimates that the fight lasted for no more than seven to eight minutes and during that time Spot’s owner hit Enzo with her lead and the two passers-by hit Enzo which only succeeded in exacerbating the situation. It is understandable that people panic in these situations and Enzo’s owner was trying to deal with the dogs calmly. He put his hands in Enzo’s mouth to break up the fight and then restrained Enzo. Once the dogs had been separated, the owner offered to pay Spot’s vet fees but his owner wanted to go through insurance which Enzo’s owner did not have. Thinking that dog insurance works in the same way as car insurance (i.e. you have to have it), Enzo’s owner panicked and gave false details. Enzo’s owner states that 38 photographs were taken by Spot’s owner and that she was I fact bitten by her own dog, not Enzo. Enzo’s owner did not just run away, he viewed the pictures that had been taken whilst apologising and still offering to pay for Spot’s vet fees. He felt that he had done all that he could and both owners went their separate ways. Then the manhunt started on Facebook. As a result of this Enzo’s owner received death threats and he and his family have been harassed on the street. He felt that he had no choice but to go to the police with Enzo and was made to sign Enzo over. To the owners knowledge, Enzo has not been classed as a pitbull type but has been destroyed under the Dangerous Dogs Act. At present, he is unclear as to what section of the Dangerous Dogs Act exactly because it has not been properly explained to him. No charges have been brought against Enzo’s owner at this time. By writing and publishing this account, I am in no way playing down the injuries that Spot sutained or the distress Spot’s owner must have felt, or condoning Enzo's owner for giving false details. My sole purpose for writing this is to put forward the other side of the story in the interests of fairness just seen this on fb .. its the guys story of events 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOG SIDE 82 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 It is a sickening image, but nobody knows how this happened. People jumping to conclusions and advocating extreme physical violence with added racist comments. This picture could have been posted with a narrative of how the Asian lad had come to the aid of a dog being attacked, but that maybe wouldn't have satisfied the deep racist bigotry of some on this site. HE MUST BE A PATTERDALE RUSSELL X Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 5] ENZO - Two sides to every story by Steff Novell (Notes) on Sunday, March 24, 2013 at 6:19pm As a rational adult I know there are always two sides to every story. As a dog owner I know that incidents between two dogs can happen but not without reason. These reasons are not always apparent to humans. As a Staffordshire Bull Terrier owner I know people can make unfounded judgements. For these reasons, when the pictures and post from the owner of Spot, were shared on Facebook I refused to contribute to what became a viral manhunt campaign. Assumptions were made regarding dog fighting. There was gossip, hearsay, racism as well as negativity against the bull breed in general. I was shocked and disgusted by some of the comments I was seeing. I was so disgusted that I ended up willing my friends and rescue contacts not to share the post until all of the facts were known. Eventually, when the post did pop up in my news feed, I tried to remind people that we didn't know all of the facts and that accusations of deliberate dog fighting were just that, accusations and assumptions. I also felt compelled to find the owner of the dog being brandished a devil dog to get his version of events and dispel any rumours of him having any connection to dog fighting. Being local to the area I have been able to do this and here is his version of events WITHOUT PREJUDICE His name is Enzo, a Staffordshire Bull Terrier cross American Bulldog and he is a family dog. He was taken in by his 20 year old university student owner when he was being given away at the age of 4/5 months and not in the best condition. Enzo is his first dog. He took good care of Enzo and got him back up to full health. Enzo is a great dog around people (including children) and female dogs. As an un-neutered adolescent male dog he wasnt that great with other male dogs, which, as most dog owners know isn't unusual. For this reason, he was always walked on a choke chain and lead because he pulls (please note I do not condone the use of full choke chains but understand that people do use them as training tools). On the day in question, Friday the 15th of March, Enzo was out with his owner for a walk around the Ouse Valley Golf Club area in Biddenham on his choke chain and lead. They were about 20 metres away from Spot and his owner when Spot started barking. This alerted Enzo to Spot's presence. Enzo had not been pulling on his choke chain (so it was loose) and he backed up. This action meant that he was able to get free from his collar. Enzo ran over to Spot, who was off lead, and his owner ran after him. The two dogs became involved in a fight and despite what the photographs on Facebook show, Spot was fighting back. Enzos owner estimates that the fight lasted for no more than seven to eight minutes and during that time Spots owner hit Enzo with her lead and the two passers-by hit Enzo which only succeeded in exacerbating the situation. It is understandable that people panic in these situations and Enzos owner was trying to deal with the dogs calmly. He put his hands in Enzos mouth to break up the fight and then restrained Enzo. Once the dogs had been separated, the owner offered to pay Spots vet fees but his owner wanted to go through insurance which Enzos owner did not have. Thinking that dog insurance works in the same way as car insurance (i.e. you have to have it), Enzos owner panicked and gave false details. Enzos owner states that 38 photographs were taken by Spots owner and that she was I fact bitten by her own dog, not Enzo. Enzos owner did not just run away, he viewed the pictures that had been taken whilst apologising and still offering to pay for Spots vet fees. He felt that he had done all that he could and both owners went their separate ways. Then the manhunt started on Facebook. As a result of this Enzos owner received death threats and he and his family have been harassed on the street. He felt that he had no choice but to go to the police with Enzo and was made to sign Enzo over. To the owners knowledge, Enzo has not been classed as a pitbull type but has been destroyed under the Dangerous Dogs Act. At present, he is unclear as to what section of the Dangerous Dogs Act exactly because it has not been properly explained to him. No charges have been brought against Enzos owner at this time. By writing and publishing this account, I am in no way playing down the injuries that Spot sutained or the distress Spots owner must have felt, or condoning Enzo's owner for giving false details. My sole purpose for writing this is to put forward the other side of the story in the interests of fairness just seen this on fb .. its the guys story of events Pish!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 If our immigration laws were tighter then perhaps we wouldn't have to had 15 pages of this bollox, neither of them are "British" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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