Anyone Run/ran Reverse 3/4 Collie X Greyhound

[KittleRox 2,147]

all boils down to the land you work on, i have permision on golf courses and playing fields a smart but slower dog hasnt a chance,

you need a fast dog that will strike at anything , rabbits running at wire fences , sheds etc

I don,t entirely agree with your point bud about playing fields and golf courses needs a pacey animal, theres playing fields local to me which I have seen a few types work,

take for instance the " like shit off a shovel" whippet I have here, some nights the bunnys on these playing fields will just make her look silly the same as they can make my collie cur look silly, other nights they both get there share, brains can make up the difference with a dog that lacks pace

[beast 1,884]

i have seen some very useful mooching/ferreting reverse crosses but personally i have yet to be convinced that they can do anything that a good first cross can't do. trained and entered right, first crosses take some beating at the rabbitting game but are capable of so much more. i will have to get one of those scanners to put some old pictures up, some folks who havent been round a good first cross owned by an experienced dog man (woman) might be surprised at what these dogs can do. not all of them are yappers and jackers!!

 

there is another interesting subject on this topic, which is the idea of crossing pure collie back into a line of lurchers. i have seen some superb dogs bred this way, most can do evrything a first cross can but seem to lack some of the "mental issues" which some people find with collie x grey. by that i mean some owners find the hyperactivity, the sensitivity, the intensity, difficult to handle but these problems don't seem to manifest in the collie x bitza in my experience at least not to the same degree. the only problem is that crossing collie to a very mongrelly lurcher can produce more wastage, and i have seen a few peculiar looking animals bred this way!

[FUJI 17,327]

Good post that Beast and wrote by someone who has obviously seen for themselves what they are capable of and not just hearsay..totally agree with the litter wastage remark...holy shit it's a tough call choosing a puppy from such a mating but fortunately for me I've been very lucky with my two choices lol...this was the 1st Lurcher x Collie I had and is infact the grand sire to Don a Lurcher x Collie himself...this was from the 80's lol when there was a bit of an ongoing weekly "argument" about which was the stronger haha....not a lot different to today except it's all done on here :-)

 

[beast 1,884]

heard and read a lot about that bulpa dog over the years, supposed to be a very very good dog. likewise from what i hear that don dog is following in his footsteps. keep up the good work, fuji!

[FUJI 17,327]

heard and read a lot about that bulpa dog over the years, supposed to be a very very good dog. likewise from what i hear that don dog is following in his footsteps. keep up the good work, fuji!

Thanks Beast..Don has a way to go to get into the Bulpa dog league but he is a handy cur who tries 110% for you every time so I'm happy with that...I ain't as "young,keen,daft and don't run the gauntlet" as I did when I had the old dog so I guess anything I have or will have in the future will never amass what he did but I'm still really enjoying my dogs and am happy just mooching around and even catching nowt on my forays these days I just love being out with the lurchers...age don't wait for no man nor beast lol...it's been a long haul but we are still going....albeit not quite as quick as we once were! Atb Andy

[fay 75]

good lurcher to lurcher breeding from very good stock and your half way there

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Them days are long gone Andy,...

 

WE are not the same men,..and therefore, our dogs will never be tested, night after night,..after fecking night...

 

On a wet old day, when I cannot be arsed to slop around in the mud, setting mole traps,..I sometimes glance through the old diaries..They make for interesting reading...and in truth, the events described within, leave me speechless,... and mentally exhausted....

Where did all those years go...?

 

Look after Don....

Edited March 17, 2013 by CHALKWARREN

[FUJI 17,327]

Not a bother Chalkie...he's done and dusted for the season just now so touch wood he will be grand,it's always a relief to make it to the end of a season with your mutt still in one piece lol..I always feared he'd not be here now with his bravado style of running but he is.. I won't ever wrap him up in cotton wool though,if he has to be carried off on his shield then so be it..he has had some knocks for sure,a cracked bone in his hind leg being the worst but he is a tough wee fecker,seen him run over a 20ft bank into a heap of boulders and rocks in the edge of a river bed then the very next run on a bunny straight back over again!!...the fecker had the rabbit in his mouth and just made his way back with it lol then would you believe it his next run he split his head wide open on tin sheeting in the hedge but again he got his prize and he continued on all night without a hitch...that's what I like about the cur types,yes they can make you grey haired rather quicker than you'd like at times but don't they all? Hardy,robust,weather lol my fecker and his son sit out in the dog run in a blizzard..both won't keep bedding in their kennels...like all types/strains of Lurcher you can get shite but if your lucky to get that wee gem then it's happy days for sure..Oh and the old diaries eh? My lads are always reading mine and counting up the catches etc and how many days or nights consecutive I had put the dogs through their paces...memories,memories...I've not achieved much in my life but I will say some of my jukels have lol..I just took them and showed them the gear they done all the hard work...reminiscing over for now,I'm away for an hour with my pups...fecking Saluki x's lol...but long live the Cur x!!!

[KittleRox 2,147]

Not a bother Chalkie...he's done and dusted for the season just now so touch wood he will be grand,it's always a relief to make it to the end of a season with your mutt still in one piece lol..I always feared he'd not be here now with his bravado style of running but he is.. I won't ever wrap him up in cotton wool though,if he has to be carried off on his shield then so be it..he has had some knocks for sure,a cracked bone in his hind leg being the worst but he is a tough wee fecker,seen him run over a 20ft bank into a heap of boulders and rocks in the edge of a river bed then the very next run on a bunny straight back over again!!...the fecker had the rabbit in his mouth and just made his way back with it lol then would you believe it his next run he split his head wide open on tin sheeting in the hedge but again he got his prize and he continued on all night without a hitch...that's what I like about the cur types,yes they can make you grey haired rather quicker than you'd like at times but don't they all? Hardy,robust,weather lol my fecker and his son sit out in the dog run in a blizzard..both won't keep bedding in their kennels...like all types/strains of Lurcher you can get shite but if your lucky to get that wee gem then it's happy days for sure..Oh and the old diaries eh? My lads are always reading mine and counting up the catches etc and how many days or nights consecutive I had put the dogs through their paces...memories,memories...I've not achieved much in my life but I will say some of my jukels have lol..I just took them and showed them the gear they done all the hard work...reminiscing over for now,I'm away for an hour with my pups...fecking Saluki x's lol...but long live the Cur x!!!

daeing alot of reminiscing in your posts the day Auld yin good stuff

[scottish hare hunter 2,345]

any collie x grey is good enuff for me my type of dog can be hard to live with but in the right hands and certain mixes on different terains are hard to beat

[scottish hare hunter 2,345]

My mutt is all over this forum lol..not quite a reverse 3/4 but his dam was a full Collie and his sire was just a Lurcher who's father itself was a Lurcher x Collie...this dog has its purposes,very good lamp dog,works with the ferrets great,hunts like a spaniel in the day but not an inkling of it when lamping,NEVER picks and chooses his runs,very athletic dog,obedient and will graft and graft and keep on grafting..handy dog on bigger beasties too,caught more during the day then all my others dogs put together ...just always seems in the right place at the right time...no he would never catch on big land but I never got him for that..he's just a lovely dog to have at heel,always wants to please you...ugly as sin but hey ho I suppose you can't have your cake and eat it?...

 

some cracking pics there mate

[Neal 1,869]

Although every lurcher book I've read would disagree with the next point; in Iris Combes book (The Herding Dog) she puts forward the complete opposite ancestry for lurchers.

 

We tend to think of a lurcher as a sighthound crossed with whatever was available in that area but she believes it was actually a collie crossed with whatever was available in that area. So, in some areas you'd get collie x whippets whereas others would be collie x greyhound, collie x deerhound or collie x terrier...yes that's right, collie x terrier!

 

I'm not necessarily saying she's right (it's uncomfortable on this fence) but it does make some sense when you consider the availablity of sheep and cattle dogs across the country compared to greyhounds in the past.

[bigdaz 688]

Not that unrealistic when you think in days passed how secluded most villages were. Many people lived and died in the village they were born in and most probably never laid eyes on a greyhound or similiar.

Any dog that put game in the bag was possibly called a lurcher and in those days a canny clever dog would have been a better tool than a fast one belting across fields for all to see. Fast enough to be handy was all that was required. I think myself most game taking by poachers to feed the family and provide some spare cash would have been snared or trapped, far more discreet to set a few snares than be seen mooching about with a dog. If you do look at the dogs of old in photos etc people today wouldn't even consider them lurchers, then again I'd imagine most lurchermen/poachers call them what you will from the era when families did genuinely survive on rabbits, pheasants etc would view the lurchers of today and think the same.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

Although every lurcher book I've read would disagree with the next point; in Iris Combes book (The Herding Dog) she puts forward the complete opposite ancestry for lurchers.

 

We tend to think of a lurcher as a sighthound crossed with whatever was available in that area but she believes it was actually a collie crossed with whatever was available in that area. So, in some areas you'd get collie x whippets whereas others would be collie x greyhound, collie x deerhound or collie x terrier...yes that's right, collie x terrier!

 

I'm not necessarily saying she's right (it's uncomfortable on this fence) but it does make some sense when you consider the availablity of sheep and cattle dogs across the country compared to greyhounds in the past.

 

That statement makes more sense to me. A "hunting" collie makes more sense to a working man than a beefy running dog. I have had a few heavily collie bred lurchers over the years, most of which many would class as litter wastage. They have served me well, taking serious knocks few and far between. They would never be suited to open flat arable ground, but for woodland, moor and scrub they do a fine job on all manner of creatures. I have a collie x 1/4beddie - 3/4whippet now that never gets a second glance, but as a ratching dog, has more than enough pace and the terrier infusion does seem to have taken the edge of some of the less desirable collie traits.

She can be an angry little fecker though!

 

[pritch 335]

all good points plus the dogs of old had no lamps so no one was expecting em

to go out & get 10/20 + rabbits a dog that could ratch about & get 2 or 3 rabbits

& or a bird would be highly prized, some times we forget this when you read

of highly prized dogs of long ago