Head Strong Cocker

[Philluk 181]

You have answered your own question "in an open field! If you let her run round the field and she misbehaves take that away to start, back on a lead, heal walk the streets at heel no tight leads a relaxed one, sit at every crossing go to another quiet place, make her sit, on lead move sideways walk around her but keep the sit, Don't let run off in that field.

 

It is important to keep loose lead, if she pulls sharp pull sideways not up or back and use the word heel at the same time. Master it before you move on. Spend a long time walking

[fay 75]

will do il do it to morrow then aand keep doing it this way u no your stuff philuk sound mate tanxs for the help have u any vids on this ?

[Philluk 181]

sorry dont have any videos, im not a pro just someone who has had and trained dogs for shooting for my use for 30 odd years,

 

I am a big believer in start young, my boy had his first birthday on Sunday, he has come on well and is steady and whistle trained, a while ago i put a comment on here about how he didnt return the retrieve to the hand but dropped it 3 feet from me, i used the 2 things any trainer needs, and he now returns to hand. The same 2 items is what you, me and everybody will need and every dog is differant like children, some learn quicker than others some are a pain in the arse, some misbehave more than others. but like children if you apply those 2 things the children like dogs will show better signs so you just need. 1, time, 2, patience.

 

Here is a little scenero: to teach a dog the back command there are a few ways, throw it over a sitting dog or stand by your dog throw the dummy and walk away leaving a sitting dog, then raise hand face the dog and say "back" walk towards the dog using the raised hand in a push way and keep the command "back" going, my WCS picked this up on the second go and now does it first time, my ESS took ages she just looked at me, so i use the "back fetch" and then dropped the "fetch" she thought I was speaking japanesse, but as much as you think "come on you stupid dog is not difficult" after a few times it clicks but it took longer, no shouting just understanding and time and patience.

 

what you have is a teenager who goes out every night with his mates and has fun now you have grounded him, you want him to go to school and behave, im sure parents will read this and say good luck.

 

well good luck, but dont do a lot of work and let her go out with her mates again...

[basherbrown 67]

philluk is spot on with what he is saying, you said she has the basic sit and stay, thats a good start. i wouldnt let her out of a controled area untill i could sit her walk a hundred yards wait ten min then call her. blow the stop whistle. let her wait five min and call her again. i know its boring. bur take your time make sure she is 100% before moving on to the next stage, and you will eventually have a dog to be proud of.

[camokev64 36]

have a cocker there shes 3 nd a half smashing dog to work but wont listen treid her on the whistle out the back does well out in a field she justs want to go i got her last year so who ever had her must of used her in a back to buch cover she just wont listen when shes out works very well she will flush all game and sound on foxes ect but i cant get her to b obedient is she to far gone now for manners or will a shock collor do her any help please

 

Fay,

I read your plight regards your cocker`s unfortunate situation...

 

The very fact that the dog in it`s initial experience of the hunting world was allowed to run in a pack situation will make your chances of having an animal safe to shoot over nye on impossible.... ( things become ingrained )

A credible professional trainer would not take the task on ( only for the money aspect ),never mind yourself as a novice handler.

 

One thing that does puzzle me, is why you chose to take the dog on, knowing it`s background ?

 

Regards "Collars" they have their place !! preferably around the persons neck who wants to use them !! They are a Lazy, defeatists way of training...

I am sorry not to be able to offer you any light at the end of your tunnel,but you have an absolute monumental task ahead of you if you choose to persist.

But please do the sensible thing before you go down the "Collar" scenario,find the dog a pet home ! Invest in some training lessons for yourself, then either buy a new pup or a demonstrated trained dog.

 

Good luck and definitely stick in....

[fay 75]

tanxs for yoyr reply i didnt no the back ground to the dog i recken she was used in a pack to the way she hunts i like her weather she does wat shes asked or not i will put time into her and see how she goes like i said she has the bascis its just the hyper ness with her atb pal