Head Strong Cocker

[fay 75]

have a cocker there shes 3 nd a half smashing dog to work but wont listen treid her on the whistle out the back does well out in a field she justs want to go i got her last year so who ever had her must of used her in a back to buch cover she just wont listen when shes out works very well she will flush all game and sound on foxes ect but i cant get her to b obedient is she to far gone now for manners or will a shock collor do her any help please

[consett lad 43]

Think a good shock collar might make her listen! My cocker was like that when I got him he came good in the end tho atb with your traing!!!

[fay 75]

im tinkn it wat age was your dog when u gto him /

[dee mac 579]

at 3 and half year old it could be tad to late

[Philluk 181]

No it's not but go right back to the beginning, but you need to stop shooting with her now, treat her like a puppy, and start from the beginning and don't move on until you have mastered the previous.

 

So back on a lead, walk, sit, stay, can use the whistle as you go walk sit blow, then stay on a lead take a step back if it doesn't work go sideways.

 

Sit stay walk away all the usual stuff but don't let have to much freedom. Once mastered, on walks go in the middle of woods off lead and keep changing directions keep eye on her but don't call, but go forward then suddenly turn left don't say anything just do it. Keep eye on her hide behind trees, climb them if you want but make her want you and stay with you. It will take time, but little and often

 

The most important thing is don't move on to do anything if you have not mastered the previous and don't mix.

 

Good luck

[dee mac 579]

No it's not but go right back to the beginning, but you need to stop shooting with her now, treat her like a puppy, and start from the beginning and don't move on until you have mastered the previous.

 

So back on a lead, walk, sit, stay, can use the whistle as you go walk sit blow, then stay on a lead take a step back if it doesn't work go sideways.

 

Sit stay walk away all the usual stuff but don't let have to much freedom. Once mastered, on walks go in the middle of woods off lead and keep changing directions keep eye on her but don't call, but go forward then suddenly turn left don't say anything just do it. Keep eye on her hide behind trees, climb them if you want but make her want you and stay with you. It will take time, but little and often

 

The most important thing is don't move on to do anything if you have not mastered the previous and don't mix.

 

Good luck

fair enough phil i was a bit matter of fact with my reply but having hunted with spaniels all my days you ll know that even with a young pup and doing all the basics and putting the time and effort in its still very hard work and would try the patience of a saint and trying to break the bad habits of a 3 and half year old spaniel is a mammoth task even for a very experienced trainer but it could be done and i wish the lad all the best

[Philluk 181]

Can be done its just harder

[consett lad 43]

im tinkn it wat age was your dog when u gto him /

he was about a year and stone mad lol . But he's made the grade with a lot of hard work! I'm getting a pup from a bitch I lined with him soon so all the fun starts again soon !!

[fay 75]

sound advice lads the dog was shot over but she was more used to flush in a pack for foxes ect so thats y the manners isnt there now i done the basic on the whistle sit stay ect out he back thats grand but soon as u hit a field thats it she mad to work she will flush game when out shotting but i only done this twice with her as her recall and obedience is crap and im not 1 for shouting my head off going threw fields a collor i tink is the best idea so ive been told so ill try that and see

[eddie3 9]

thats very good advice from phill, try that before you go down the collar road.

[basherbrown 67]

ive had cockers forabout15 years now and the one thing i would never use is a shock coller what philluk posted is spot on. take her back to the begining and when she is 100% on her stop and recall, i would take her in a rabbit pen were you can work her in a controled inviroment. if you dont know anyone with one just go on the net most profesional trainers have one, and they will usualy let you use them for a small fee. ive used this method on a lot of springers and cockers. it has allways worked for me.

[Philluk 181]

Thanks Eddie, the key to spaniel training is you are doing something natural ie spaniels working ( we don't teach them to hunt do we) with a collar you are introducing something that is not natural (pain) you could put her off, or make her nervous you want her to enjoy, but managed.

 

It will take time and you need to be patient like teaching 60 yr old man to drive a car, he can do it cause he has been doing it for years, but he has done it wrong for so long he does wrong, well.

[fay 75]

to days in and feel like strnglen my dog shes to f***ing hyper just wont stay put now god give me patience lol i need a collor i say with her does the saying actualy work u cant teach an old dog new tricks lol

[Philluk 181]

What's the collar gonna do? Or what do you think the collar will do? The collar may zap the dog what's he going to connect it with? 2 days? What can anyone achieve in 2 days in the dog training world? There are loads of questions here and you sound stressed, The total wrong way to train a dog,

 

It's not the dogs fault someone for 2 1/2 yrs allowed this to start, but in fairness in 12 months you have allowed it to continue now you've clicked it's not working, if you have allowed her to run free that's what she is used to and she won't know why she now can't, using a collar is going to do what?

 

You can't teach an old dogs new tricks? Correct as the saying goes but at 3 1/2 yrs she is not old, by wanting to strangle her you are doing something wrong not the dog. I would seek professional help in the way of dog classes, google this in your area I'm sure you will find someone who can help you, not the dog, the dog is ok she just needs the right management ang guidance, and trust me hanging on to a spaniels ear kicking the shlt out of it is not going to achieve anything, dogs work because it's a natural thing, you don't teach them to hunt, you teach them not to hunt because they want to please their master cause they love you, make a dog scared of you and you lose that love and the need to please.

 

It's not easy but having a working dog is not easy that's the commitment we make. Stick with it though rough and smooth and it will all fall into place

[fay 75]

this has been tried befor by me last year i gave up coming up to christmas time she has the basics sit stay go ina open field its diferent i say this as a figure of speach not actualy going to strangle her.its an update on her ive already been sending larry taffe an email on help if any 1 can he can she very clever its just the hyperness and control she needs but she wont steady up a collar by most seems to work the dog is is just very very hyper and wants to go not a bad ting but its very hard when a dog wont listen to u and i wont hit her her either so and im not giving her treats so wat can i do in an open field with no restrain over a dog that runs a head and wont come back ?