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[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Speaking with my butcher the other day: various types of highly processed sausages and other 'ready' meals contain whole chicken carcases! I don't know if anyone has ever minced chicken legs: just the bones, no meat: what you get is a pink slushy pulp. Keep putting that through finer and finer mincer and the result goes into those sausages, and what they term 'reformed' meat products. They also used the carcases once the breast meat has been taken off.

 

So if that is what goes into human meat products, its no surprise that the feet, beaks, skulls, eyes, innards etc etc go into pet products.

 

Youre spot on there penny,

 

Ive been getting some "chicken mince" from a local pet supplies at 40p per lb, and its basically minced chicken carcass among other things. It looks exactly how you describe, pink slushy pulp.

 

The lumps were hardly noticeable and it wasnt mince as we know it. Another once or twice through a fine mincer and you could pass that off as ANYTHING once its covered in breadcrumbs and had a few flavourings added!

 

Gaz

[sandymere 8,263]

Chicken nuggets anyone????

 

As already said the source is not important rather the fact that its the right building block supplied in a viable form. It would be better to concentrate on hygiene rather than refuse a protein source because it doesnt meet some middle class sensibilities, theres been a long history of our ancestors eating chickens eyeballs etc even today go to eastern Europe and youll see chicken feet being served a special delicacies, that without getting as far a china lol..

 

Bearing the above in mind in general I prefer to use game I've caught and butchers waste rather than pet minces etc, if I was to use pet quality products I would cook before giving it to a dog that I expected to work. Being pre cooked is the one real plus point of completes the cooking has already been done. It avoids the low level bacterial infections that pet minces inevitably bring to some degree.

[Country Joe 1,411]

, if I was to use pet quality products I would cook before giving it to a dog that I expected to work. Being pre cooked is the one real plus point of completes the cooking has already been done. It avoids the low level bacterial infections that pet minces inevitably bring to some degree.

 

Sandy i use DAF raw Beef and Chicken, after thinking raw was best, now it appears to cook?

[Sirius 1,391]

There really is no need to cook raw meat such as the ones you will purchase from meat suppliers. If anything cooking may slightly effect the vitamin content. Mind you I did notice a couple of foxs sat around a fire tonight maybe they were cooking their dinner :-)

[sandymere 8,263]

, if I was to use pet quality products I would cook before giving it to a dog that I expected to work. Being pre cooked is the one real plus point of completes the cooking has already been done. It avoids the low level bacterial infections that pet minces inevitably bring to some degree.

 

Sandy i use DAF raw Beef and Chicken, after thinking raw was best, now it appears to cook?

It depends on where the meat comes from, I feed a lot of raw. Its about using common sense really, if the food is likely to be laced with a bacterial cocktail is it really that good. Industrial production is where the contamination is likely to come. Anyone who has seen one of the plants would know what I mean.

 

There is a big difference between a freshly caught rabbit and a pound of pet mince! I would eat a nice rare steak its had minimum processing and I would eat a pork scratching with lots of processing but I wouldnt eat pet mince.

 

Dogs usually cope better than us with the occasional low grade bacterial infection but it is still an infection and so will be having an effect. If its getting re infected on a daily basis its perhaps not the best thing??? Lots of evidence suggests dogs fed pet type minces are likely to be carrying pretty continuous low grade infections.

 

As with most things its risk to benefit, I find the risks are reasonable feeding raw game, butchers scraps along completes etc but feel pets minces would negate the positive just a little to much.

 

People get lost in the raw thing and forget that although raw feeding may have benefits, if the meat is full of bacteria then it may not be the best thing. After all cooking doesnt make a deal of deference so cook the contaminated and feed the uncontaminated raw so getting the best of both worlds. Seems common sense really.

Edited March 15, 2013 by sandymere

[sandymere 8,263]

There really is no need to cook raw meat such as the ones you will purchase from meat suppliers. If anything cooking may slightly effect the vitamin content. Mind you I did notice a couple of foxs sat around a fire tonight maybe they were cooking their dinner :-)

Ah I thought a little ground bait would bring them out lol.

 

Sirius I take it your referring to the naturalistic fallacy as I dont see many foxes eating pet minces, (but perhaps you do???). Most these days seem to eat Kentucky, cooked that evening fresh from the gutter lol.

 

I know you are more of a show type rather than working dogs to any real degree which is why you wouldnt know that those two foxes where likely short lived, mangy, creatures, full of fleas and worms. But thats nature for you.

 

In general I do love those that use the nature is best augment, strange you dont see them taking it to their own lives. I can just see it, yes my daughter poppy, raised on raw food, and of course we dont vaccinate or use any pharmaceuticals, we believe that nature knows best, after all humans lived for thousands of years this way so it must be better, mustnt it??? Yes we come to her grave every week; it was the gastro enteritis on top of the measles induced encephalitis that finally killed her.

 

Nature is not some benevolent force, its usually quite the opposite. As to cooking , dont worry Ill let you have some SupraNutraC if your dogs are short on vitamins.

Edited March 15, 2013 by sandymere

[bunnys 1,228]

utter rubbish dogs are designed to take bacteria and also carryion is full of it, bacteria in pet foods wont harm a dog.. atb bunnys.

[Charlie in bed 5]

utter rubbish dogs are designed to take bacteria and also carryion is full of it, bacteria in pet foods wont harm a dog.. atb bunnys.

 

It could harm you if your dog is in contact with you.

If a fox bites anyone, they would be prone to infection, due to them eating as you say carrion.

[sandymere 8,263]

utter rubbish dogs are designed to take bacteria and also carryion is full of it, bacteria in pet foods wont harm a dog.. atb bunnys.

Ah here they come!!!

 

 

Dogs are not designed to eat carrion every day , as I said dogs deal with occasional bacterial infections reasonable well, but that is different from ingesting heavily infected feed every day, I believe I said that already! I do wish people would read what I write rather than make it up lol.

 

I wonder how far the barfist would go, picking decomposed road kill up to feed their dogs perhaps, rather than admit that raw isnt always best lol.

 

Anyway now youre here do pray tell how are they designed to deal with it effectively ie does the bacteria remain in the system as live bacteria, hence the dog has an active infection, or is it destroyed???

 

Be warned I will be asking questions later!!!LOLOLOL.

[Sirius 1,391]

Forums are about discussion,there is no need to condescend and add silly little digs, just because someone does not wholeheartedly agree with you and your views . I will stand by my statement 'you do not need to cook mince bought from a meat supplier'. It's hardly ground breaking or controversial that dogs can benefit from raw meat. Yes there is always a minimal risk to everything, but there is the same risk or negatives when feeding completes.

 

It's just common sense to source your meats from a good reliable source.

 

Show dogs ...keep going you will only discredit yourself even further that you have on here already :yes:

Edited March 15, 2013 by Sirius

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

You little show pony Sirius..

Edited March 21, 2013 by CHALKWARREN

[ands 544]

eating like a pig

[sandymere 8,263]

LOL, did I hit a nerve sirius?

As to "I will stand by my statement you do not need to cook mince bought from a meat supplier" I take you've not been to many then? So you feel that all pet quality meat is ok and can be fed without risk of contamination?? A bold man.

As to my credibility, this is the last example of my advice on a health subject on this forum, its called knowing what your talking about.

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/282183-help-dog-injured/

 

Whereas yours usually goes along the lines of cod-liver oil is bad for skin and garlic is good for dogs, or some reference to a herb or supplement lol

Edited March 18, 2013 by sandymere

[bunnys 1,228]

 

utter rubbish dogs are designed to take bacteria and also carryion is full of it, bacteria in pet foods wont harm a dog.. atb bunnys.

 

It could harm you if your dog is in contact with you.

If a fox bites anyone, they would be prone to infection, due to them eating as you say carrion. no different when thyb dog licks thy hand and its been licking its own ause atb bunnys

[bryson 562]

my dogs are fed on raw [pet mince] it comes straight from the butcher so i no there will be no harm to my dog cause the meat is as fresh as it comes i have never felt the need to cook it although if the dogs had a hard night out on the lamp i will boil some off for him just as a treat though