Hancock Pups

[theworkingferret 56]

I used to visit DB Plummers quite a bit with Eddie Metcalf (and yes I hunted with Brian and yes he did hunt)! He had some great collies (Bearded) He gave some of his best stock to Mr Hancock,When you buy a dog of David Hancock, you get a pedigree, and who now breeds working dogs. Greyhounds, working, well Coursing is now banned, bullxgrehound (how many bull crosses are bred from fighting bulls?) (NONE), Bedlingtons, working, NO, NONE, If you buy a pup from David Hancock at least you know what you are getting.

 

have a picked this up wrong ur saying when u buy from hancock ur get a pedigree lurcher ? a lurcher is a crossbreed not pedigree

[Ideation 8,216]

Seen a very nice farm bred litter of collie x greys today. Sire, leggy, working hill collie, dam, collie lurcher, over 3/4 grey, ten years old, very nice beast. £100 quid. So they are out there.

[scottish hare hunter 2,345]

 

I used to visit DB Plummers quite a bit with Eddie Metcalf (and yes I hunted with Brian and yes he did hunt)! He had some great collies (Bearded) He gave some of his best stock to Mr Hancock,When you buy a dog of David Hancock, you get a pedigree, and who now breeds working dogs. Greyhounds, working, well Coursing is now banned, bullxgrehound (how many bull crosses are bred from fighting bulls?) (NONE), Bedlingtons, working, NO, NONE, If you buy a pup from David Hancock at least you know what you are getting.

 

have a picked this up wrong ur saying when u buy from hancock ur get a pedigree lurcher ? a lurcher is a crossbreed not pedigree

is a pedigree not just a list of dogs parentes grand parents.a family tree the diffrence being when they register with kennel club like with labs spaniels etc so really you do get a pedigree of your pup when you buy it {a family tree} correct me if i am wrong

Edited April 1, 2013 by scottish hare hunter

[Country Joe 1,411]

There are plenty of leggy Border Collies working the hill,

And there are working Bedlingtons out there, you just have no where to look.

[theworkingferret 56]

 

 

I used to visit DB Plummers quite a bit with Eddie Metcalf (and yes I hunted with Brian and yes he did hunt)! He had some great collies (Bearded) He gave some of his best stock to Mr Hancock,When you buy a dog of David Hancock, you get a pedigree, and who now breeds working dogs. Greyhounds, working, well Coursing is now banned, bullxgrehound (how many bull crosses are bred from fighting bulls?) (NONE), Bedlingtons, working, NO, NONE, If you buy a pup from David Hancock at least you know what you are getting.

 

have a picked this up wrong ur saying when u buy from hancock ur get a pedigree lurcher ? a lurcher is a crossbreed not pedigree

is a pedigree not just a list of dogs parentes grand parents.a family tree the diffrence being when they register with kennel club like with labs spaniels etc so really you do get a pedigree of your pup when you buy it {a family tree} correct me if i am wrong

yes his collies that he uses might be pedigree but his pups that he breeds are not

Edited April 2, 2013 by theworkingferret

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

 

 

 

I used to visit DB Plummers quite a bit with Eddie Metcalf (and yes I hunted with Brian and yes he did hunt)! He had some great collies (Bearded) He gave some of his best stock to Mr Hancock,When you buy a dog of David Hancock, you get a pedigree, and who now breeds working dogs. Greyhounds, working, well Coursing is now banned, bullxgrehound (how many bull crosses are bred from fighting bulls?) (NONE), Bedlingtons, working, NO, NONE, If you buy a pup from David Hancock at least you know what you are getting.

 

have a picked this up wrong ur saying when u buy from hancock ur get a pedigree lurcher ? a lurcher is a crossbreed not pedigree

is a pedigree not just a list of dogs parentes grand parents.a family tree the diffrence being when they register with kennel club like with labs spaniels etc so really you do get a pedigree of your pup when you buy it {a family tree} correct me if i am wrong

yes his collies that he uses might be pedigree but his pups that he breeds are not

When u buy a pup from Hancock you get a 'bill of sale' so to speak which tells you the sire and dam of your pup the breakdown of percentages, ie, 1/2 cross, 3/4 bred or 3/8ths x 5/8ths and so on, the pup's age and colour, the pup's ear number, when it was last wormed and had flea treatment and that it requires vaccinations and the cost price...I've got 5 receipts here for dating from 1985 to last year for £65, £85, 2 x £200 and £230...pedigree - dunno about pedigrees...does it matter...??? Not to me...don't reckon my dogs are too fussed either...

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

 

 

 

I used to visit DB Plummers quite a bit with Eddie Metcalf (and yes I hunted with Brian and yes he did hunt)! He had some great collies (Bearded) He gave some of his best stock to Mr Hancock,When you buy a dog of David Hancock, you get a pedigree, and who now breeds working dogs. Greyhounds, working, well Coursing is now banned, bullxgrehound (how many bull crosses are bred from fighting bulls?) (NONE), Bedlingtons, working, NO, NONE, If you buy a pup from David Hancock at least you know what you are getting.

 

have a picked this up wrong ur saying when u buy from hancock ur get a pedigree lurcher ? a lurcher is a crossbreed not pedigree

is a pedigree not just a list of dogs parentes grand parents.a family tree the diffrence being when they register with kennel club like with labs spaniels etc so really you do get a pedigree of your pup when you buy it {a family tree} correct me if i am wrong

yes his collies that he uses might be pedigree but his pups that he breeds are not

@ theworkingferret. You're wrong. Pedigree just means a list of what the dog is bred from. What you mean by pedigree is a dog with a KENNEL CLUB pedigree. This means nothing in working dog terms. Most of the top working collies aren't registered with the Kennel club at all so in your eyes they aren't "pedigree" but they're non the worse for that.

All dogs have a pedigree, it's just that most of the time no-one knows what it is.

Edited April 2, 2013 by Maximus Ferret

[scottish hare hunter 2,345]

Didnt say my dogs or i was fussed about a pedigree.

[Neal 1,874]

 

WOULD also say rufus was bred ,and bred very well . atb bunnys,

 

@ Bunnys...

Don't quote me on this, as I may have got my facts slightly wrong, but I think that the line that Rufus was from was related to the line that the collie which Dave Sleight used for his early kelpie/collie crosses i.e. Gem and Purdey was from. If my facts are right then I believe they're related to the chocolate and white collie called Moss which Daergi wrote an article about in the Shooting News.

Edited April 2, 2013 by Neal

[Neoleaver 55]

If you're after a collie cross with definate known pedigree, that is tatoo'd, wormed and had first innocuations, he's your man. Holding a breeders licence for as long as he has is no easy task, you have regulations up the arse, inspections etc. etc. Personally I'd prefer a home bred pup with the added reassurance you get knowing at least either dam or sire is regularly doing the business. That said, this time out I' m after a beardie/x and the fact is that altho you do see plenty of good ones on here ( many hancock bred) finding a litter with the right working beardie blood can be hard work, and he has it there. Worker to worker makes sense obviously, but everyone of those workers has first crosses in their makeup. You just need a small dose of common sense on this one, my 3/4 hancock border bitch did everything I ever asked of her, call me kennel blind if you like, but I know a good dog when I see one, and more importantly how much time an effort it takes on your part to get em to a good standard.

Is a commercial operation the right way to produce lurchers? mebeez aye mebeez no, you cant argue with the product or service tho. I'll be givin him a punt if I cant find what I want from a home bred litter.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Considering how well documented the subject is, there is still an amazing amount of 'confused.com' quotes, and hearsay,. doing the rounds, ad infinitum.....

Edited April 3, 2013 by CHALKWARREN

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Moss was owned by Barry Sharp,..and also owned Beth,..and they produced Rufus ....

I favoured this line of Collie,..and regarded the progeny derived from it, to be a much needed improvement....

Edited April 3, 2013 by CHALKWARREN

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

Always a lot of,.. 'I think, ..I heard,... I believe', etc,.. comments and opinions,.. whenever this topic is raised....

 

Considering how well documented the subject is, there is still an amazing amount of 'confused.com' quotes, and hearsay,. doing the rounds, ad infinitum.....

Spent my whole life CONFUSED.................................. and them collie x fuckers haven't helped......one little bit....

[pritch 335]

Moss was owned by Barry Sharp,..and also owned Beth,..and they produced Rufus ....

I favoured this line of Collie,..and regarded the progeny derived from it, to be a much needed improvement....

 

 

 

 

 

As an aside,....Ruby, the Merle coloured bitch that D Sleight had, was purchased from a local Farmer.

 

I encouraged him,.. to buy the youngster and to mate her to a non-ped whippet...

 

I owned a pup from that first union...and I trained her for the ferreting business....

 

Personaly,..I don't care where a lurcher comes from,..its future usage interests me,... not its past...

 

Kelp and Moon...

 

now that moss was a leggy collie 25" tts if i remember rightly

it's the grandsire to my old dog of the same name

[Country Joe 1,411]

Im sure the Beardies originated not far from me.

There was a herd that bred and worked them, i knew the farm.