riohog 5,696 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Have a look here: maybe things are going to change.....eventually! http://www.vetstreet.com/dr-marty-becker/veterinarians-kick-out-champion-purebreds-at-crufts-dog-show-for-poor-health bless ,, not in my lifetime .ill bet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,743 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I was watching the gundogs at a friends house............. Most of them were pretty piss poor, any number of pet labs look better than that yellow shite on legs never mind the shame a good working lab would put it to. Hardly any of them had any muscle tone or athleticism about them. The only dog that caught my attention was the Chesapeak. What they pass as spaniels was laughable. Having said all that................. I really couldn't give a flying f**k! They have their crap, we have our workers and to be honest when I get a gun dog it'll probably be a cross anyway, lol. The only thing I would prefer is for all working lines to move away from KC and towards something more in line with hounds and racing greys like a stud book etc. Keep the two completely separate. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 its just a big money making machine that crufts.half the folk that attend it arent the full shilling! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaraCroft 863 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 They keep talking about " fit for purpose" - but I suppose it is going to take time to reverse some of the breed traits / trends. I remember seeing a ridgeback group winner about 15 years ago - was built like the side of a barn, massive head and chest, very solid - now all the rage seems to be for the angular, athletic, tall, lighter build dog. Having said that, my old ridgeback vacates the sofa if the cat so much as glares at him - "fit for purpose" my arse ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I didn't watch it much, but I did watch the hound group the other night. The Ridgeback looked pretty damn good. What could be fit about those dach's with their rubbery back legs I do not know. The whippet was a bit fat as well. Most of the dogs who truly looked fit for purpose were left standing at the sides. It's rather insulting to those of us who can see what a dog is supposed to be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid 935 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Where have you all been watching it ? didnt think it was on teli any more ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I didn't watch it much, but I did watch the hound group the other night. The Ridgeback looked pretty damn good. What could be fit about those dach's with their rubbery back legs I do not know. The whippet was a bit fat as well. Most of the dogs who truly looked fit for purpose were left standing at the sides. It's rather insulting to those of us who can see what a dog is supposed to be. My parents used to breed dachshunds... Epileptic, bad teeth, throw their back out easily, heart problems, i would say 1 in 3 needs a c-section. All of them need assistance whelping. Delicate spoilt f***ing things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I didn't watch it much, but I did watch the hound group the other night. The Ridgeback looked pretty damn good. What could be fit about those dach's with their rubbery back legs I do not know. The whippet was a bit fat as well. Most of the dogs who truly looked fit for purpose were left standing at the sides. It's rather insulting to those of us who can see what a dog is supposed to be. My parents used to breed dachshunds... Epileptic, bad teeth, throw their back out easily, heart problems, i would say 1 in 3 needs a c-section. All of them need assistance whelping. Delicate spoilt f***ing things. I met a long haired one once, called Norman. Robust and healthy and a great temperament. But otherwise every single one (of which there were many, since I worked at a city vet) was bad tempered, delicate and prone to all sorts of shitty health conditions. Why the hell the breeders are allowed to produce stock like that is beyond me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I didn't watch it much, but I did watch the hound group the other night. The Ridgeback looked pretty damn good. What could be fit about those dach's with their rubbery back legs I do not know. The whippet was a bit fat as well. Most of the dogs who truly looked fit for purpose were left standing at the sides. It's rather insulting to those of us who can see what a dog is supposed to be. My parents used to breed dachshunds... Epileptic, bad teeth, throw their back out easily, heart problems, i would say 1 in 3 needs a c-section. All of them need assistance whelping. Delicate spoilt f***ing things. I met a long haired one once, called Norman. Robust and healthy and a great temperament. But otherwise every single one (of which there were many, since I worked at a city vet) was bad tempered, delicate and prone to all sorts of shitty health conditions. Why the hell the breeders are allowed to produce stock like that is beyond me. My parents did their damndest to produce healthy stock, all our dogs were health tested and we even paid for stud dogs belonging to other breeders to be eye tested prior to using the dog. we always outcrossed to unrelated dogs but the health problems are so deeply embedded in the breed it was a pointless endeavour Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Such a shame ... so many breeds going the same damn way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayrshire Lass 74 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 For me, this says it all....Best of breed was this one, This one is mine... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,961 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 For me, this says it all....Best of breed was this one, This one is mine... Them 2 pictures speak a Thousand Words !! Is that Hideous thing on Caster's ? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 For me, this says it all....Best of breed was this one, This one is mine... Them 2 pictures speak a Thousand Words !! Is that Hideous thing on Caster's ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaraCroft 863 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 For me, this says it all....Best of breed was this one, This one is mine... Them 2 pictures speak a Thousand Words !! Is that Hideous thing on Caster's ? No, but it should be - stuffed, on casters, and wheeled around as an example of what "show dog breeding" can do for a breed 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vixen 528 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Why do people blame the kc for these monstrosities?, they are only the registration society. You don't have a crash in the car and blame the dvla so you?. The breed clubs write the standard that is then put in place by the kc. If people stopped attending those events and demanded a change in standards it would soon be done because the kc does not like to miss out on a pound coin. The kc did not vote that disgrace of a dog 1st place in he gundog group but a judge that is obviously clueless about a Labradors work. 100% correct jessdale, the KC dont breed the dogs they only register them 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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