fieldsportsman 107 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 before the ban, in your opinion what made a true fox dog, as in taking them week in week out, and above all single handled. Ive heard it before, where someone says "I had a good fox dog before the ban, It was always doubled up though". You here it with hare"yeah I had a hare dog before the ban, always ran double up though" in my eyes not sporting at all, unless your bringing on a pup. 1 Quote Link to post
jamesmc 582 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 good dogs don't need doubled up....so they never had a good dog Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I think you know what makes a good fox dog worthy of the 'title' My opinion, for what its worth: The lurcher should be a proficient lamper, following the beam, looking for those eyes... running out on the beam even if quarry is unsighted trusting that there is quarry down the beam. I like a dog that will go beyond the beam on the brush of a fox into the dark, as many foxes are caught other side of hill or hedge for example, so a dog that turns back as soon as quarry leaves view of lamp is not much use to me. Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important. Must jump well, and be sensible enough over rocks and crags not to cripple itself. Check holes and mark positively, be bombproof with terriers and livestock. Kill quickly and humanely with no fuss, and no turning away from teeth, ie straight in. 11 Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I think you know what makes a good fox dog worthy of the 'title' My opinion, for what its worth: The lurcher should be a proficient lamper, following the beam, looking for those eyes... running out on the beam even if quarry is unsighted trusting that there is quarry down the beam. I like a dog that will go beyond the beam on the brush of a fox into the dark, as many foxes are caught other side of hill or hedge for example, so a dog that turns back as soon as quarry leaves view of lamp is not much use to me. Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important. Must jump well, and be sensible enough over rocks and crags not to cripple itself. Check holes and mark positively, be bombproof with terriers and livestock. Kill quickly and humanely with no fuss, and no turning away from teeth, ie straight in. "Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important." That's my idea of a good fox dog - one that's able to work things out for itself. For me a dog must have a good nose. 1 Quote Link to post
3 Turns 326 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 DH/GREW X BED/GREW DH/GREWXDH/GREW DH/GREW. BULL/GREW/WHIPPET Quote Link to post
troter58 1,711 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 DH/GREW X BED/GREW DH/GREWXDH/GREW DH/GREW. BULL/GREW/WHIPPET a lurcher you mean 3 Quote Link to post
silentpoacher 14 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 English bullterrier in the woods never seen anything like it! Maybe just this one dog but he know how to get it over and done with Also a whip x grey standing at 22tts more game for fox that rabbit lol Quote Link to post
spindolero 1,111 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think you know what makes a good fox dog worthy of the 'title' My opinion, for what its worth: The lurcher should be a proficient lamper, following the beam, looking for those eyes... running out on the beam even if quarry is unsighted trusting that there is quarry down the beam. I like a dog that will go beyond the beam on the brush of a fox into the dark, as many foxes are caught other side of hill or hedge for example, so a dog that turns back as soon as quarry leaves view of lamp is not much use to me. Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important. Must jump well, and be sensible enough over rocks and crags not to cripple itself. Check holes and mark positively, be bombproof with terriers and livestock. Kill quickly and humanely with no fuss, and no turning away from teeth, ie straight in. you don't want much then ? Quote Link to post
digg deep 5 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 1st x bull greyhound what I always keep never let me down single handed 1 Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think you know what makes a good fox dog worthy of the 'title' My opinion, for what its worth: The lurcher should be a proficient lamper, following the beam, looking for those eyes... running out on the beam even if quarry is unsighted trusting that there is quarry down the beam. I like a dog that will go beyond the beam on the brush of a fox into the dark, as many foxes are caught other side of hill or hedge for example, so a dog that turns back as soon as quarry leaves view of lamp is not much use to me. Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important. Must jump well, and be sensible enough over rocks and crags not to cripple itself. Check holes and mark positively, be bombproof with terriers and livestock. Kill quickly and humanely with no fuss, and no turning away from teeth, ie straight in. "Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important." That's my idea of a good fox dog - one that's able to work things out for itself. For me a dog must have a good nose. sight hound and scent hounds .............theres a reason for the different names but cross them together and you can have a very good fox dog ....................as seen in andrews fox hunting with lurchers by day..................(before the ban) edit to say ,............yes there are dogs that can probably end it a little quicker but in my opionion for hunting like they do you wont get much better unless pure scent hound...........they work well in my opionion and cover the ground well like a scent hound......................there is a little thinking behind the dogs before dispatching and yes there doubled up ,.but could still do the job single handed given the chance........at the end of the day if the dog cant genuinely hunt the ground / cover well but was good at dispatching aint really worth a toss .................finding and working reynard is the most important as is the dispatch but they do it efficient enough in my opionion .........................on the terrain he works these dogs on most lurchers would fail ..............there obviousy a percentage of scent hound in his lurchers......... Quote Link to post
spindolero 1,111 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think you know what makes a good fox dog worthy of the 'title' My opinion, for what its worth: The lurcher should be a proficient lamper, following the beam, looking for those eyes... running out on the beam even if quarry is unsighted trusting that there is quarry down the beam. I like a dog that will go beyond the beam on the brush of a fox into the dark, as many foxes are caught other side of hill or hedge for example, so a dog that turns back as soon as quarry leaves view of lamp is not much use to me. Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important. Must jump well, and be sensible enough over rocks and crags not to cripple itself. Check holes and mark positively, be bombproof with terriers and livestock. Kill quickly and humanely with no fuss, and no turning away from teeth, ie straight in. "Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important." That's my idea of a good fox dog - one that's able to work things out for itself. For me a dog must have a good nose. sight hound and scent hounds .............theres a reason for the different names but cross them together and you can have a very good fox dog ....................as seen in andrews fox hunting with lurchers by day..................(before the ban) do you find can you lamp with that type of dog too? Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think you know what makes a good fox dog worthy of the 'title' My opinion, for what its worth: The lurcher should be a proficient lamper, following the beam, looking for those eyes... running out on the beam even if quarry is unsighted trusting that there is quarry down the beam. I like a dog that will go beyond the beam on the brush of a fox into the dark, as many foxes are caught other side of hill or hedge for example, so a dog that turns back as soon as quarry leaves view of lamp is not much use to me. Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important. Must jump well, and be sensible enough over rocks and crags not to cripple itself. Check holes and mark positively, be bombproof with terriers and livestock. Kill quickly and humanely with no fuss, and no turning away from teeth, ie straight in. "Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important." That's my idea of a good fox dog - one that's able to work things out for itself. For me a dog must have a good nose. sight hound and scent hounds .............theres a reason for the different names but cross them together and you can have a very good fox dog ....................as seen in andrews fox hunting with lurchers by day..................(before the ban) do you find can you lamp with that type of dog too? total different ball game but i exspect they could but there bred for daytime and if they miss you may have a hunt on lol.... i wouldnt class them as efficient lamp dogs , i think there would be more able crosses for lamping foxes ............. the thread was fox dog ........theres daytime dogs and theres nightime..........dogs speak of the devil...........andrew before the ban were those dogs effecient on the lamp aswell as daytime.........? Quote Link to post
Wales1234 5,562 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 You usually catch me on the lamp but much rather day time myself more fun watching the lurchers hunt up pre ban of course 1 Quote Link to post
bird 10,011 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 i suppose its the amount of fox control you are doing with yout lurcher pre ban. You need all whats been said (speed,agilty,stamina, and good nose), if just taking the odd fox now again most lurchers will do the job. But if its the main quarry , 1 thing they deff need to have is to take (pain) because it dont matter how good they are killing them, they (will) get bite the more they do.And when thats when some lurchers will have enough and spit'em out . i had a good colliex grey Blaze he took quite a few, but not every night week in week out.And to me the only dog will handle the pain for this type of job is a 1x pit x grey from( good) stock , and you need the right apbt and a good greyhound. and serious fox control lads would work from as motor, so the speed of the x aint that important . Not like me alot of lads on foot walking fo 4 hours might see 3-4 and very lamp shy.!! as said its how serious you are with the fox control pre ban 3 Quote Link to post
ands 559 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think you know what makes a good fox dog worthy of the 'title' My opinion, for what its worth: The lurcher should be a proficient lamper, following the beam, looking for those eyes... running out on the beam even if quarry is unsighted trusting that there is quarry down the beam. I like a dog that will go beyond the beam on the brush of a fox into the dark, as many foxes are caught other side of hill or hedge for example, so a dog that turns back as soon as quarry leaves view of lamp is not much use to me. Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important. Must jump well, and be sensible enough over rocks and crags not to cripple itself. Check holes and mark positively, be bombproof with terriers and livestock. Kill quickly and humanely with no fuss, and no turning away from teeth, ie straight in. "Hunt open hill and forest all day, finding fox using its nose, so for me nose is very important." That's my idea of a good fox dog - one that's able to work things out for itself. For me a dog must have a good nose. sight hound and scent hounds .............theres a reason for the different names but cross them together and you can have a very good fox dog ....................as seen in andrews fox hunting with lurchers by day..................(before the ban) do you find can you lamp with that type of dog too? total different ball game but i exspect they could but there bred for daytime and if they miss you may have a hunt on lol.... i wouldnt class them as efficient lamp dogs , i think there would be more able crosses for lamping foxes ............. the thread was fox dog ........theres daytime dogs and theres nightime..........dogs speak of the devil...........andrew before the ban were those dogs effecient on the lamp aswell as daytime.........? Certainly all the lurchers ive owned have been a pleasure to lamp (off lead) and great ferreting partners 1 Quote Link to post
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