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Where did I say he was an excellent lamper or the best dog on the fen !? Like I said he's not been advertised at studd he's only gone to top bitches , due to his reputation and breeding , owned by men who are in the know . He hasn't had a load of straws taken followed by a big advert in the c m w ! Get down the fen and experience first hand what your talking about

Ok stubble, accept my apologize. I take it your talking about Lucas? I've no connection with either so its no difference to me. By all accounts bulldozer is a top animal. Any dog who catches 2, 3 hares in January is a top animal. It's the hype talk of 5,6's that's boring then when it matters, its really only 2's that's the point. Yea I might just get down the fens, will you put me up for the night?

I would love to but I don't live there either , and I think you might scare the kids !
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It's a sad fact that too many lurcher owners these days see their dogs as some sort of kudos thing. Whatever happened to the lurchers which went out quietly and worked with no fanfare,no shouting, no

You know what I'm sick of reading on here, day walkers bragging about their dogs and when it comes to the crunch, don't live up to the hype. It's f***ing easy to bum up a dog on here, get couple of yo

A good dog is exactly that don't matter a shite if it runs day,night,field or fen...sadly it's just part of the dog scene all this knocking of dogs and snidey remarks about their owners...to a degree

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ive found i can learn a lot from daywalkers ie conditioning of dogs and correct food i know plenty of lampers who feed plain dry food some real rubbish some good every daywalker ive spoke to feed top knotch food , iam a lamper by the way but enjoy daytime , i wont knock anyones past time aslong as they are getting out there and keeping there dogs at it rather than sitting letting there dogs stare at the kennel walls whilst the owner is keyboard bashing :thumbs:

It's not just daywalkers that know how to condition dogs and feed them the best, far from it, and alot of em could still learn alot from those that aint into matching their dogs :yes:
shaaark 99% of daywalkers do not match their dogs and do not broadcast it on a internet forum what their doing with their dogs but what i will say is ive seen a lot of lamp dogs whos owners considered them very lamp fit come out for a days running on longears on big land with no hiding places .and their dogs havnt been able to get of their beds for days and gone of their food .and ive seen this more than the once or twice . it doesnt mean the owners cant condition a dog but imo a daytime dog needs to be a lot fitter than otherdogs to do their job properly.
Have you ever seen coursing dogs lamp on more than once or twice occasions?
With respect the idea that a top daytime dog cannot be a good lamper is rubbish.I have a good mate who runs day and night, his dogs knock them over regularly at both disciplines.A clever dog knows when to go up through the gears ,and conversely when to settle down behind its quarry. Lamping dogs ,or at least those without Saluki blood ,will struggle to catch hares on a regular basis in the daylight, if the hares are afforded fair law.
I wasn't getting at hare dogs not catching on the lamp, if they're trained to do both obviously they will. It was more the fitness issue. If a dogs used soley for daytime and one for lamping, you can't say one is fitter than the other. They run differently as you've pointed out. One that's been conditioned for both disciplines is an entirely different animal.
How exactly would you do this? You get your dog fit by whatever method you choose biking/roadwork, and running free. Fit is fit . A dog that can handle 3 long runs daytime will cope with a nights lamping no probs.

A dog that can do a night on the lamp will still struggle with 3 long runs on big land, unless he is saluki blooded.

 

I would expect my dogs to catch either day or night.

Lol ok conditioned was the wrong term. I feel we are talking about 2 different things here. I expect my dogs to do both too, as well as ferreting and mooching. The point I was trying to make is its wrong to think a top of its game lamper is unfit compared to a top of its game coursing dog. I'm not saying the lamper has the same ability in daytime as a soley daytime dog. (f***ing digging a hole here pmsl) look, you get very fit lamping dogs and very fit coursing dogs. I don't particularly rate lamping myself, a f***ing collie will catch lamped rabbits. But for a dog to last all night lamping........ Ahhh f**k it, the coursing dogs the fitter pmsl :D

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ive found i can learn a lot from daywalkers ie conditioning of dogs and correct food i know plenty of lampers who feed plain dry food some real rubbish some good every daywalker ive spoke to feed top knotch food , iam a lamper by the way but enjoy daytime , i wont knock anyones past time aslong as they are getting out there and keeping there dogs at it rather than sitting letting there dogs stare at the kennel walls whilst the owner is keyboard bashing :thumbs:

It's not just daywalkers that know how to condition dogs and feed them the best, far from it, and alot of em could still learn alot from those that aint into matching their dogs :yes:

shaaark 99% of daywalkers do not match their dogs and do not broadcast it on a internet forum what their doing with their dogs but what i will say is ive seen a lot of lamp dogs whos owners considered them very lamp fit come out for a days running on longears on big land with no hiding places .and their dogs havnt been able to get of their beds for days and gone of their food .and ive seen this more than the once or twice . it doesnt mean the owners cant condition a dog but imo a daytime dog needs to be a lot fitter than otherdogs to do their job properly.

Boyo, I wasn't arguing the merits, or otherwise, of lamping dogs against coursing dogs, simply replying to steve2507's post that he can learn alot from daywalkers about conditioning dogs and feeding em top notch food. 99% of daywalkers may well not match their dogs, but they aint the only people that know how to condition a dog properly. Over the years I've seen enough of other peoples dogs, lampers and coursers, that were so poorly conditioned, to convince me that the owners of the dogs would be better off keeping goldfish! Cos they certainly didn't have it when it comes to dogs :victory:

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Where did I say he was an excellent lamper or the best dog on the fen !? Like I said he's not been advertised at studd he's only gone to top bitches , due to his reputation and breeding , owned by men who are in the know . He hasn't had a load of straws taken followed by a big advert in the c m w ! Get down the fen and experience first hand what your talking about

Ok stubble, accept my apologize. I take it your talking about Lucas? I've no connection with either so its no difference to me. By all accounts bulldozer is a top animal. Any dog who catches 2, 3 hares in January is a top animal. It's the hype talk of 5,6's that's boring then when it matters, its really only 2's that's the point. Yea I might just get down the fens, will you put me up for the night?
I would love to but I don't live there either , and I think you might scare the kids !

:laugh: stubble, now I want you to answer this honest and unbiased. Do you genuinely think bulldozer isn't all about the money? MP offered to run him for £200, he said no, £1000. Now, if the high price is to keep the messers away, does he think MP is a messer? And don't say it's cos of the dangers, fuel etc, I'm sure he ran for free before bulldozer got a name.

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if your a proper coursing lad you run for the sport if you want fame and fortune the easiest way to do it is bull a dog up on the net and put it to stud. A real dogman would run what ever put up the challenge if you covered your juice money and got a breakfast out of it that should be enough, if the dogs good enough it will make its own name given time without all the hype, back biting and bull shit

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what is the best stud dog in the country dot mean most expensive or whos covered the most bitchs..whats the best producer

Khan :laugh:
:laugh: you could be right

Laws of average, you produce enough pups bound to get some good lol

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a f***ing collie will catch lamped rabbits.

Nor many, if any.. !

You think a fit collie won't catch rabbits on a lamp? Agree it won't catch as many as a lurcher. A f***ing jack rustle will catch the odd rabbit lol.

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Where did I say he was an excellent lamper or the best dog on the fen !? Like I said he's not been advertised at studd he's only gone to top bitches , due to his reputation and breeding , owned by men who are in the know . He hasn't had a load of straws taken followed by a big advert in the c m w ! Get down the fen and experience first hand what your talking about

Ok stubble, accept my apologize. I take it your talking about Lucas? I've no connection with either so its no difference to me. By all accounts bulldozer is a top animal. Any dog who catches 2, 3 hares in January is a top animal. It's the hype talk of 5,6's that's boring then when it matters, its really only 2's that's the point. Yea I might just get down the fens, will you put me up for the night?
I would love to but I don't live there either , and I think you might scare the kids !

:laugh: stubble, now I want you to answer this honest and unbiased. Do you genuinely think bulldozer isn't all about the money? MP offered to run him for £200, he said no, £1000. Now, if the high price is to keep the messers away, does he think MP is a messer? And don't say it's cos of the dangers, fuel etc, I'm sure he ran for free before bulldozer got a name.

He did agree to run mp for £200 but he did want to run on permission .jack couldn't run when they arranged because the dog was sore through spinning a hare on a track . They agreed to leave it till next year . No £1000 was mentioned .remember the owner of bully don't post on here !
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Where did I say he was an excellent lamper or the best dog on the fen !? Like I said he's not been advertised at studd he's only gone to top bitches , due to his reputation and breeding , owned by men who are in the know . He hasn't had a load of straws taken followed by a big advert in the c m w ! Get down the fen and experience first hand what your talking about

Ok stubble, accept my apologize. I take it your talking about Lucas? I've no connection with either so its no difference to me. By all accounts bulldozer is a top animal. Any dog who catches 2, 3 hares in January is a top animal. It's the hype talk of 5,6's that's boring then when it matters, its really only 2's that's the point. Yea I might just get down the fens, will you put me up for the night?
I would love to but I don't live there either , and I think you might scare the kids !
:laugh: stubble, now I want you to answer this honest and unbiased. Do you genuinely think bulldozer isn't all about the money? MP offered to run him for £200, he said no, £1000. Now, if the high price is to keep the messers away, does he think MP is a messer? And don't say it's cos of the dangers, fuel etc, I'm sure he ran for free before bulldozer got a name.
He did agree to run mp for £200 but he did want to run on permission .jack couldn't run when they arranged because the dog was sore through spinning a hare on a track . They agreed to leave it till next year . No £1000 was mentioned .remember the owner of bully don't post on here !

Fair dos, sounds fair enough. Jacks probably a decent guy, its all the entourage that's causing the myths and story's. thanks for that stubble :thumbs:

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