Day Walkers

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

ive found i can learn a lot from daywalkers ie conditioning of dogs and correct food i know plenty of lampers who feed plain dry food some real rubbish some good every daywalker ive spoke to feed top knotch food , iam a lamper by the way but enjoy daytime , i wont knock anyones past time aslong as they are getting out there and keeping there dogs at it rather than sitting letting there dogs stare at the kennel walls whilst the owner is keyboard bashing

It's not just daywalkers that know how to condition dogs and feed them the best, far from it, and alot of em could still learn alot from those that aint into matching their dogs

shaaark 99% of daywalkers do not match their dogs and do not broadcast it on a internet forum what their doing with their dogs but what i will say is ive seen a lot of lamp dogs whos owners considered them very lamp fit come out for a days running on longears on big land with no hiding places .and their dogs havnt been able to get of their beds for days and gone of their food .and ive seen this more than the once or twice . it doesnt mean the owners cant condition a dog but imo a daytime dog needs to be a lot fitter than otherdogs to do their job properly.

Have you ever seen coursing dogs lamp on more than once or twice occasions?

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still a young dog though, flesh & bone not a machine. It would be interesting to see the dog spew, then we'd possibly see some of the coursing lads true colours.

Whats spew (jack)?????If it is why would anyone want for another mans dog to do that?????

I wouldn't want to see anyone's dog jack but its an interesting point. Carp mentioned 30, 40 year lines. I'm sure if these dogs were getting tested to the max over these years, some had to have jacked at some point, only common sense. Now, if they did jack and no one seen it, were they still used to breed from? How many here can honestly say, if the had a dog getting £1000 stud fees, one booked in the next day and their dog jacked the day before, would phone up and tell the guy not to bother, dogs no good? This is where money fucks up everything. If pups are no good are they culled or simply sold on? In an honest world you could say a 40 year line of breeding the best to the best will have produced the best. But the dog world ain't honest. I'm sure when the kennel club started it was for good reasons. Same with guys line breeding. The problem starts when the money comes into it......

id find it a good pet home

Would you castrate it first?

[boyo 1,398]

yes a lot more than once or twice in fact a lot lot more

[killing crew 2,708]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still a young dog though, flesh & bone not a machine. It would be interesting to see the dog spew, then we'd possibly see some of the coursing lads true colours.

Whats spew (jack)?????If it is why would anyone want for another mans dog to do that?????

I wouldn't want to see anyone's dog jack but its an interesting point. Carp mentioned 30, 40 year lines. I'm sure if these dogs were getting tested to the max over these years, some had to have jacked at some point, only common sense. Now, if they did jack and no one seen it, were they still used to breed from? How many here can honestly say, if the had a dog getting £1000 stud fees, one booked in the next day and their dog jacked the day before, would phone up and tell the guy not to bother, dogs no good? This is where money fucks up everything. If pups are no good are they culled or simply sold on? In an honest world you could say a 40 year line of breeding the best to the best will have produced the best. But the dog world ain't honest. I'm sure when the kennel club started it was for good reasons. Same with guys line breeding. The problem starts when the money comes into it......

id find it a good pet home

Would you castrate it first?

no because the new owners mite want to have some puppys to sell them at £500 quid a pop

Edited February 26, 2013 by killing crew

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my thoughts are on jacking you could give the best dog in the world too the wrong person and he would make it jack .ie over run it or run it with a niggle or worse a injury seen it with my own eyes more than once.no matter how well the dog is bred give it to the wrong owner and he can f**k it up .

I agree 100% and also seen this a few times

[baw 4,360]

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ive found i can learn a lot from daywalkers ie conditioning of dogs and correct food i know plenty of lampers who feed plain dry food some real rubbish some good every daywalker ive spoke to feed top knotch food , iam a lamper by the way but enjoy daytime , i wont knock anyones past time aslong as they are getting out there and keeping there dogs at it rather than sitting letting there dogs stare at the kennel walls whilst the owner is keyboard bashing

It's not just daywalkers that know how to condition dogs and feed them the best, far from it, and alot of em could still learn alot from those that aint into matching their dogs

shaaark 99% of daywalkers do not match their dogs and do not broadcast it on a internet forum what their doing with their dogs but what i will say is ive seen a lot of lamp dogs whos owners considered them very lamp fit come out for a days running on longears on big land with no hiding places .and their dogs havnt been able to get of their beds for days and gone of their food .and ive seen this more than the once or twice . it doesnt mean the owners cant condition a dog but imo a daytime dog needs to be a lot fitter than otherdogs to do their job properly.

Have you ever seen coursing dogs lamp on more than once or twice occasions?

The reason I ask is they are two different disciplines. Lamper needs to be fast off the mark, courser its more about staying. It's like comparing who is the fittest, Usain Bolt or Sally Gunnel. Both equally fit at what they do and saying one isn't fit over the other is quite rightly, f***ing stupid

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ive found i can learn a lot from daywalkers ie conditioning of dogs and correct food i know plenty of lampers who feed plain dry food some real rubbish some good every daywalker ive spoke to feed top knotch food , iam a lamper by the way but enjoy daytime , i wont knock anyones past time aslong as they are getting out there and keeping there dogs at it rather than sitting letting there dogs stare at the kennel walls whilst the owner is keyboard bashing

It's not just daywalkers that know how to condition dogs and feed them the best, far from it, and alot of em could still learn alot from those that aint into matching their dogs

shaaark 99% of daywalkers do not match their dogs and do not broadcast it on a internet forum what their doing with their dogs but what i will say is ive seen a lot of lamp dogs whos owners considered them very lamp fit come out for a days running on longears on big land with no hiding places .and their dogs havnt been able to get of their beds for days and gone of their food .and ive seen this more than the once or twice . it doesnt mean the owners cant condition a dog but imo a daytime dog needs to be a lot fitter than otherdogs to do their job properly.

Have you ever seen coursing dogs lamp on more than once or twice occasions?

Coursing dogs do make good lampers and are able to do both . Lampers , however, don't have the lung for daytime hares ! The bulldozer was started off on the lamp and caught most of what was put in front of him . You reckon it's all about the money baw , but when have you heard of bulldozer being at open studd ? Where have you seen him advertised at studd like the Irish dog ? No, you haven't ! The reason jack asks £1000 is so he don't get loads of messers and men wanting to use him on any old rubbish ! If he was in it for the money he could have them queuing up for 500 a pop! It makes me laugh that you have started a topic on daytime coursing which judging by your post you obviously know very little about . It's all theory and conclusions drawn from debates on here and not from practical experience . You really have got the wronge end of the stick on lots of issues !

[boyo 1,398]

 

 

 

 

 

 

ive found i can learn a lot from daywalkers ie conditioning of dogs and correct food i know plenty of lampers who feed plain dry food some real rubbish some good every daywalker ive spoke to feed top knotch food , iam a lamper by the way but enjoy daytime , i wont knock anyones past time aslong as they are getting out there and keeping there dogs at it rather than sitting letting there dogs stare at the kennel walls whilst the owner is keyboard bashing

It's not just daywalkers that know how to condition dogs and feed them the best, far from it, and alot of em could still learn alot from those that aint into matching their dogs

shaaark 99% of daywalkers do not match their dogs and do not broadcast it on a internet forum what their doing with their dogs but what i will say is ive seen a lot of lamp dogs whos owners considered them very lamp fit come out for a days running on longears on big land with no hiding places .and their dogs havnt been able to get of their beds for days and gone of their food .and ive seen this more than the once or twice . it doesnt mean the owners cant condition a dog but imo a daytime dog needs to be a lot fitter than otherdogs to do their job properly.

Have you ever seen coursing dogs lamp on more than once or twice occasions?

The reason I ask is they are two different disciplines. Lamper needs to be fast off the mark, courser its more about staying. It's like comparing who is the fittest, Usain Bolt or Sally Gunnel. Both equally fit at what they do and saying one isn't fit over the other is quite rightly, f***ing stupid

ba w my sons dog does both about fifty fiftyand far from a world beater at either but he can put in a good shift at either.and i mean a full shift ,and is still quite sprightly and fit the next day whether he has been lamping or daywalking.i myself was in on the lamping game right from the start and only done the other for the last 15 yr or so and have seen what i i said on many occasions and most people who do both would i imagine think the same regarding levels of fitness

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You know what I'm sick of reading on here, day walkers bragging about their dogs and when it comes to the crunch, don't live up to the hype. It's f***ing easy to bum up a dog on here, get couple of your mates to agree or better still, have a few accounts yourself to verify the claims.

Take the Lucas and bulldozer match. Both dogs before the match killing 5/5, a 4,5,6 minute course the norm. That's half an hour of flat out running. Some dogs to do that. Plenty to back up the claims 'with me own eyes'. Best 2 dogs on the net if not the isles if you believe the hype. Finally we all get a chance to hear what these mighty hare slayers can do on the most worshipped ground....... 2 f***ing hares each. And at that one is a kick up, bravo, give me a pup pleeeeease.

Then the self claimed winner of the draw(yes the kick up merchant) goes on to race in the coveted forley cup. This cup has be heralded as the ultimate test for all lurchers, your dogs some dog to win this...... Only the best have done it..... Result? 3/3? 4/4? 5/5? No, 2 f***ing hares and one was already f***ing run!!!!

Now I'm only using these 2 dogs as examples of the bullshit that gets spewed on here on a daily bases. Iceman had a puppy competition, I glanced at it occasionally. Think it ran from August to May. These dogs were the offspring of super dogs that folk could recite the ancestory away back to roman times. Most of what I read the dogs were catching f**k all. Pups from legendary dogs, f**k all???? So I ask you, why the f**k do these dogs get bummed up to f**k but when it's time to show your hand, the owners are left standing with their pants down!!! Is it because its all just hype to sell pups? Surely not...

I can sympathise with your annoyance Baw, but as for Lucas ,though I have not seen him run myself, a couple of respected. experienced dog men, whose opinions I trust have and they rate him a very good animal indeed.

On some land a lot of decent dogs can make a catch or two,and flatter only to deceive when they are on other ground where the quarry is either turbo-charged and straight lines them.or there is an abundance of hedges and drains for them to throw off the dog and pipe into.

The fact that his owner has been willing to run him in public out of his comfort zone of home ground ,speaks for itself. he has run and caught his game on all sorts of ground . i think it is a given he is the real deal. The other dog is still young and may improve further so I'd say its too soon to give a definitive opinion of him because he may get even better.

Good points mate. I wasn't really aiming it at Lucas as much as I was bulldozer but had to include him cos that was the match. Gorger has stood up to the plate, stood toe to toe with 'the best fen dog' on the fens. I've a lot of respect for that and gorger knows that. Yes bulldozer is a young dog but wouldn't you agree, if he's young and relatively unproven, all the more reason he shouldn't be at stud? £1000 at that, blimey, says what the coursing lads are all about now don't you think?

The owner of Bulldozer is entitled to charge what he likes for a lining.

As to whether it is worth it ? I couldnt possibly comment .

I think u can look at bully 2ways young and un proven in some people's eyes young and proven in other people's eyes. When u have had the benefit of seeing the dog in question back up the story's of 4s and 5s on best land and best quarry with your own eyes its difficult not to pipe up and argue the point but after all its an open forum and people all have opinions. People all know this year the forley wasn't great people pulling out or injured dogs but jb and bully can only run whoever turns up and he beat anybody who did but people also forget at 17months this dog competed in his first season on the fen against mature seasoned dogs and in 5 matches in the forley didn't miss a hare now no other dog in the comp did that not even fly the winner. It's a matter of opinion wether that makes him a proven dog or not and for the men who have paid the 1000 stud fee well it's obvious which way there opinion went. Then there's the fact of well respected coursing men who's opinions mean something that have all seen this dog run the likes of m baker j Davis jim lofty d reed m Loverage the list goes they also seen this dog back up the storys this is y bully has a busy summer off lol in my opinion he is proven and his generations of breeding from both sure and dam are also proven so for that reason alone I think he is well worth the 1000 stud.

You make the argument that he is proven on his performance on the field

.Well he's had a short career so far, he may yet improve, how many seasons has he been knocking them over?

.As you say , he can only beat whom he is matched against.

 

My counter argument would be that he is NOT proven as a stud, simply because he has NOT produced top pups . Until he has I would look somewhere else for a lining, especially at a grand a squirt .I'd look at. studs like his sire, or other dogs that have produced some Bulldozer's, and dogs of that quality .They are the proven studs. NOT their pups.Just my take on it.

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ive found i can learn a lot from daywalkers ie conditioning of dogs and correct food i know plenty of lampers who feed plain dry food some real rubbish some good every daywalker ive spoke to feed top knotch food , iam a lamper by the way but enjoy daytime , i wont knock anyones past time aslong as they are getting out there and keeping there dogs at it rather than sitting letting there dogs stare at the kennel walls whilst the owner is keyboard bashing

It's not just daywalkers that know how to condition dogs and feed them the best, far from it, and alot of em could still learn alot from those that aint into matching their dogs

shaaark 99% of daywalkers do not match their dogs and do not broadcast it on a internet forum what their doing with their dogs but what i will say is ive seen a lot of lamp dogs whos owners considered them very lamp fit come out for a days running on longears on big land with no hiding places .and their dogs havnt been able to get of their beds for days and gone of their food .and ive seen this more than the once or twice . it doesnt mean the owners cant condition a dog but imo a daytime dog needs to be a lot fitter than otherdogs to do their job properly.

Have you ever seen coursing dogs lamp on more than once or twice occasions?

The reason I ask is they are two different disciplines. Lamper needs to be fast off the mark, courser its more about staying. It's like comparing who is the fittest, Usain Bolt or Sally Gunnel. Both equally fit at what they do and saying one isn't fit over the other is quite rightly, f***ing stupid

ba w my sons dog does both about fifty fiftyand far from a world beater at either but he can put in a good shift at either.and i mean a full shift ,and is still quite sprightly and fit the next day whether he has been lamping or daywalking.i myself was in on the lamping game right from the start and only done the other for the last 15 yr or so and have seen what i i said on many occasions and most people who do both would i imagine think the same regarding levels of fitness

I've never owned a dog that couldn't do both mate but up here in Scotland, the daytime hares need a fast dog so its not much different. I'm talking about the plodders who seem to be the only dogs who have mastered the 'big land' saying they are fitter cos a lamping dog can't do the same is plain stupid.

[inan 841]

 

 

 

 

ive found i can learn a lot from daywalkers ie conditioning of dogs and correct food i know plenty of lampers who feed plain dry food some real rubbish some good every daywalker ive spoke to feed top knotch food , iam a lamper by the way but enjoy daytime , i wont knock anyones past time aslong as they are getting out there and keeping there dogs at it rather than sitting letting there dogs stare at the kennel walls whilst the owner is keyboard bashing

It's not just daywalkers that know how to condition dogs and feed them the best, far from it, and alot of em could still learn alot from those that aint into matching their dogs

shaaark 99% of daywalkers do not match their dogs and do not broadcast it on a internet forum what their doing with their dogs but what i will say is ive seen a lot of lamp dogs whos owners considered them very lamp fit come out for a days running on longears on big land with no hiding places .and their dogs havnt been able to get of their beds for days and gone of their food .and ive seen this more than the once or twice . it doesnt mean the owners cant condition a dog but imo a daytime dog needs to be a lot fitter than otherdogs to do their job properly.

Have you ever seen coursing dogs lamp on more than once or twice occasions?

With respect the idea that a top daytime dog cannot be a good lamper is rubbish.I have a good mate who runs day and night, his dogs knock them over regularly at both disciplines.A clever dog knows when to go up through the gears ,and conversely when to settle down behind its quarry. Lamping dogs ,or at least those without Saluki blood ,will struggle to catch hares on a regular basis in the daylight, if the hares are afforded fair law.

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[boyo 1,398]

baw dont think its only the plodders that can catch on the big land plenty of other types can and do on a regular basis in fact theres not many i know of nowadays who run that type of dog most prefer the faster type with things as they are regarding the ban.what i was saying was i have seen quite a lot of lampers lying on their bed exhausted after a day out on the big land, that is not being detrimental to the dog or their owners who are freinds of mine and keep their dogs very fit and are good stockmen but and its a big but take the day dog out on the lamp and he will run all nightand still be ok the next day thats the differance and point i was trying to put over .difficult sometimes on these friffin computers lol.