bigears 205 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Baw seem's to me like you are having a wee dig at "Bulldozer" mate, make no mistake he is a "real" dog he's not just a "fen dog" he does his job wherever he's run, as people will see when the lad's put the d.v.d out, as far as "the money" side of the game goes then in part I agree but let me put it like this when your buying performance livestock whether it is Racing pigeon's, greyhound's, or racehorses your buying a bundle of "gene's" that is the top and bottom of it even the best "breed" rubbish BUT the chance's of getting something good with the performance that you are looking for is FAR greater if you buy from well bred top performance line's you won't get a "Derby" winner from two "pit pony's would you no matter how many times you bred them together ? but the chances of getting a top class animal from say "FRANKEL" are a million times more likely so at the end of the day for the price that the lad's charge for pup's from 30 or 40 year's of "selective" breeding line's are not "over the top" as far as the £1000 stud fee goes that is well worth the money when you consider the price's that are paid for well bred pup's and I'm sure that the only lad's who will pay that are "serious" about their sport and it also help's to keep the "dreamer's and messer's" away ! Personally I would not use a stud until I was sure it was throwing quality pups. There has been plenty of very good dogs that threw relatively little of any worth. The greatest male coursing greyhound Master McGrath never produced a pup worth two bob. I will not name some of the great male saluki crosses that did the same , you can make your own lists. If I liked that blood line, I would be more inclined to go back to the dog that produced him [,if he is still around], because he at least has proven himself at stud.This supposes that he has produced other top animals,after all. "one swallow does not a summer make". Sky cat had a very good bitch some years ago, but its brother and sister never produced the same form, they were in different hands , who is on the other end of the lead is prettty important too, imo. Some of the most influential day time stud dogs were not world beaters , but have consistantly thrown good offspring. At the end of the day," you pays your money ,and takes your choice" .No one holds a gun to your head. Good post mate and I agree to a point, the thing I always look at is the "whole" picture in regard's to the breeding and performance of the Stud the thing with Bulldozer is not just his own ability, it's that of his close relatives that are running today, his litter mates are all very good animal's his half sister's are two of the best in the u.k. his parent's grandparent's were all top class the "line" goes back almost 40 years, I think when you look at his breeding credential's the chance of him producing himself is very high more or less guaranteed in fact which is why I've "booked" his service's for my own bitch in the summer !! look mate not having a go at you but look what you are saying his half sisters are two of the best in the uk how do you know that? No problem mate a brash statement I know but I think the one has had 10 matches this year and won them all running 29 in total and catching 28 of them, the one she missed was a long slip and made it to a wood before she got on it the lad that own's her has the permission and will run anybody see you are doing it again just because he has had 10 matches and won 10 does not mean he has the best, WILL HE RUN ANYBODY or will he run some one for money a big difference, and nobody has permission Quote Link to post
boyo 1,398 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 bigears there would not be many that would be better than the bitch their talking about .i dont beleive all this best in the country lark but the bitch in question really is something else .she really is the real deal. 1 Quote Link to post
mydogscatch 21 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 if i had a top class bitch and was going to breed off it.id give a grand.you dont take a race horse to a donkey nail on the head mate how i see it on here you lads keep going on about giving good pups to each other,gifting them but when it comes to stud your paying £1000 a time somethings a miss here. Quote Link to post
carp777 191 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Baw seem's to me like you are having a wee dig at "Bulldozer" mate, make no mistake he is a "real" dog he's not just a "fen dog" he does his job wherever he's run, as people will see when the lad's put the d.v.d out, as far as "the money" side of the game goes then in part I agree but let me put it like this when your buying performance livestock whether it is Racing pigeon's, greyhound's, or racehorses your buying a bundle of "gene's" that is the top and bottom of it even the best "breed" rubbish BUT the chance's of getting something good with the performance that you are looking for is FAR greater if you buy from well bred top performance line's you won't get a "Derby" winner from two "pit pony's would you no matter how many times you bred them together ? but the chances of getting a top class animal from say "FRANKEL" are a million times more likely so at the end of the day for the price that the lad's charge for pup's from 30 or 40 year's of "selective" breeding line's are not "over the top" as far as the £1000 stud fee goes that is well worth the money when you consider the price's that are paid for well bred pup's and I'm sure that the only lad's who will pay that are "serious" about their sport and it also help's to keep the "dreamer's and messer's" away ! Personally I would not use a stud until I was sure it was throwing quality pups. There has been plenty of very good dogs that threw relatively little of any worth. The greatest male coursing greyhound Master McGrath never produced a pup worth two bob. I will not name some of the great male saluki crosses that did the same , you can make your own lists. If I liked that blood line, I would be more inclined to go back to the dog that produced him [,if he is still around], because he at least has proven himself at stud.This supposes that he has produced other top animals,after all. "one swallow does not a summer make". Sky cat had a very good bitch some years ago, but its brother and sister never produced the same form, they were in different hands , who is on the other end of the lead is prettty important too, imo. Some of the most influential day time stud dogs were not world beaters , but have consistantly thrown good offspring. At the end of the day," you pays your money ,and takes your choice" .No one holds a gun to your head. Good post mate and I agree to a point, the thing I always look at is the "whole" picture in regard's to the breeding and performance of the Stud the thing with Bulldozer is not just his own ability, it's that of his close relatives that are running today, his litter mates are all very good animal's his half sister's are two of the best in the u.k. his parent's grandparent's were all top class the "line" goes back almost 40 years, I think when you look at his breeding credential's the chance of him producing himself is very high more or less guaranteed in fact which is why I've "booked" his service's for my own bitch in the summer !! look mate not having a go at you but look what you are saying his half sisters are two of the best in the uk how do you know that? No problem mate a brash statement I know but I think the one has had 10 matches this year and won them all running 29 in total and catching 28 of them, the one she missed was a long slip and made it to a wood before she got on it the lad that own's her has the permission and will run anybody see you are doing it again just because he has had 10 matches and won 10 does not mean he has the best, WILL HE RUN ANYBODY or will he run some one for money a big difference, and nobody has permission Look big ear's READ the post properly I said "TWO OF THE BEST" not THE best !!! I think your just a wannabe crabber IF you want to run him it's £500 minimum he'll put on the land if you've got a dog that you think will give him a match get a few of your pal's to chip in and get it on p.m. if you'd like to have a go........ or are you this guy.......... 1 Quote Link to post
bigears 205 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) see is that all you can say we or i will run you for money cant you say anything else , if you read my post you will see that i have not got any running dogs, i got out of it so i did not have to listen to idiots like you with your childish dribble , my dogs better than yours,how old are you 11 , you know that's me as you asked me to send a picture of me so i sent it to you last week, have you still got it on your wall who in your opinion has the best dog/bitch Edited February 24, 2013 by bigears Quote Link to post
Mixed Bag 603 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 if i had a top class bitch and was going to breed off it.id give a grand.you dont take a race horse to a donkey good post mate if the dog you want to use has the qualitys you want over your bitch to try and get the best and your not buddys with the owner then you have to pay the money. get a few mates to chip in means they show a comittment to the pup before its born less chance of being let down at the last minute lads saying they will have one then all of a sudden the missus says no or whatever excuse. if i wanted to use a top dog i would pay whatever it cost 4 Quote Link to post
carp777 191 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 see is that all you can say we or i will run you for money cant you say anything else , if you read my post you will see that i have not got any running dogs, i got out of it so i did not have to listen to idiots like you with your childish dribble , my dogs better than yours,how old are you 11 , you know that's me as you asked me to send it to you last week, have you still got it on your wall who in your opinion has the best dog/bitch Nobody can say which is best the good ones more or less catch the same 3 out of 3 or whatever its not a thing that you can really say who's is best it's easier to say one of the best Quote Link to post
goldfinch2007 2,332 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 no one can say whos get the best boys.dogs run different every day.gud hares bad hares.but if a dog runs con sistantly well,you ve cracked it 3 Quote Link to post
FUJI 17,288 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 no one can say whos get the best boys.dogs run different every day.gud hares bad hares.but if a dog runs con sistantly well,you ve cracked it Well said that man!!! Amen to that. Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 if i had a top class bitch and was going to breed off it.id give a grand.you dont take a race horse to a donkey You do if you want a faster donkey! 1 Quote Link to post
FUJI 17,288 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 if i had a top class bitch and was going to breed off it.id give a grand.you dont take a race horse to a donkey You do if you want a faster donkey! Your right mate..for the donkey derby at Blackpool beach :-) 1 Quote Link to post
Mixed Bag 603 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 more burgers in a mule lol Quote Link to post
goldfinch2007 2,332 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 if i had a top class bitch and was going to breed off it.id give a grand.you dont take a race horse to a donkey You do if you want a faster donkey! donkeys dont catch big rabbits Quote Link to post
FUJI 17,288 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 if i had a top class bitch and was going to breed off it.id give a grand.you dont take a race horse to a donkey You do if you want a faster donkey!donkeys dont catch big rabbits Seen a few on YouTube that did..they were no faster than a three legged donkey lol 1 Quote Link to post
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