Goshawk For Sale

[jasper65 6]

Finnish x German Male 2007 being P/R, Ready 10/08/2007. Semen came off "Bart" Chris Soans male flown in "Urban Goshawk" video, Female mother German bird has featured in BFC journals taking a wide variety of quarry includeing Hares £500..

 

Cheers

 

Jasper

[jasper65 6]

A quick picture taken of the male Branching through the spy hole of the aviary, His tail is only about 3 - 4 Inches down at the moment but he is now mobile, he's a very pale bird and now 39 days old and looking a bit Gangley at the moment but will fill out nicley ....

 

Cheers

 

Jasper

[Simoman 110]

Hi T, I know very little of falconry, do you not interact with them at this age?

 

Simon

[jasper65 6]

I put this and a female back to be Parent Reared Simon. I prefer them done this way as they know 100% exactly what they are compared to 99.9% of Imprints, the pair went back around 5 - 6 day's and have been reared by their mother ever since! He's that spooky he tightens his feathers when he sees my eye steering at him through the peep hole, when he comes out of the enclosed aviary around 10 weeks he'll be on fire but he'll soon steady up in good hands and have all the nice traits associated with a P/R bird, I'll get some more pic's up of him as he pens and fills out .....

 

Cheers

 

Tony

[Simoman 110]

[jamesy 0]

jasper what are the pros and cons of p/r and inprinted gos's,

i was thinking about going on to a gos next year to fly over my cocker,

am trying to find out as much info as a i can about gos's..

cheers

[Harris Will 3]

He's a lovely looking bird mate!!!

 

Maybe one day.....

[welshhound2 20]

second that :victory:temptin

[jasper65 6]

jasper what are the pros and cons of p/r and inprinted gos's,

i was thinking about going on to a gos next year to fly over my cocker,

am trying to find out as much info as a i can about gos's..

cheers

 

Probably the main benefit of flying a Imprint over a P/R bird Jamesy is 99% of the Manning is done in the rearing! Social Imprinting is just that. you socialize with the bird constantly but have no food association with it, the idea of this is when the bird is flying it doesn't show the Bad habbits associated with Full blown food Imprints or Mal imprints.

 

The problem with all Imprints though Jamesey is they are basicly totaly f****d in the head ! I'm not convinced they're really sure what they are? do they think are they human like the person who socialized with them from a downy? I have no idea, basically they're a bit confused!! they have to be confused for the males to copulate with humans and the females to stand for humans for copulation. one thing you can Gurrantee with all Imprints is they are easily offended, I suppose in their eyes when the handler has to cast it for some reason its like being man handled or attacked by another of its kind, the P/R bird on the other hand won't be offended in the same way, Basically it knows its a bird and it won't come across that its being man handled by another of its own species.

 

Some Imprints are fine when done properly but I must admit alot of females I have seen in the past have been flown mildly over weight expecially in the first year to avoid bad Habbits, This is bound to rear its head with any Imprint being cut keen, Mantling/Screaming/ Aggresion are a few traits you could experience but alot of the time these will get better with a few kills and fills under theit belt .

 

On the other Hand the P/R bird when manned down and flown keen at Hunting weight won't show any of the above if its been P/R properly, having said that taking a P/R bird earley straight out of the aviary and hitting them hard in the guts can start them off screaming. I personally love the P/R birds mate as for me they opitimise what Falconry is about! taking a wild bird out of a Aviary to the stage of feeding off the fist, Manning, Jumping to the fist, Creance, Loose, and then the real prize to go out and take quarry with your bird, to me the achievments and gratitudes are much higher and much deserved.

 

If you look back over the years when the old school Falconers manned and trainned their birds all their stock was wild stock, either Passage or Haggard, these old school warriors made steady good Hunting birds from birds which was other wise fearfull of man in a big way. they was lucky guys as their birds had already proved themselves in the wild as good Hunting stock and was the cream of the crop, some of these birds was the the survivors of Harsh winters and the harsh reality of nature but coped and proved their efficiency as Hunters in the wild, what a jem it would be to take up a bird like this.

 

All in all in my mind Falconry was based on the guys of yester years acheivments. these guys set the pace and put the time in to the wildest of birds and acheived so much with them, its fair to say things have moved on since then but the fundermental basics are still there, Its Horses for courses really! but when it comes to flying I'll be going P/R everytime....

 

Cheers

 

Jasper

[jamesy 0]

Thanks jasper for all the info,

and i appreciate you taking time out to answer my question in depth,

iv been doing a lot of reading up and chating to a few people, and it all come's together with what your saying about P/R gosses .

my plan is to train up my cocker first, then taken on a gos, and work them together...

thanks again jasper and i will keep you in mind when the time is right for me to take on a gos.

Edited July 24, 2007 by jasper65

[Fletcher 0]

Excellent post Jasper, well explained thanks.

[Guest shaheen]

Very informative .....shame that imprint's are the "in" thing at this time,maybe becouse a couple of breeder's in the BFC have sung the praises of imprint's to much {easier to produce with AI? }

 

Thank's Jasper great post.

[Guest calin]

hi i see you are selling a bird. I was always interested in birds and i'd love to get one someday but could anyone tell where i should start thanks?

[Harris Will 3]

Start with reading several good books, a falconry course at a centre would help & plenty of research. Then weigh up the lifestyle you lead, the countryside you could fly a BOP on & what there is to hunt with it in your area. These birds could be with you for anything up 20 years & maybe longer!

 

Then consider starting with an easier bird than a Gos (a Harris Hawk maybe). This way you will get the basics & the bird will be more forgivving should you make any slight mistakes during the training process! Then there is nothing stopping you from climbing the ladder at a later date.

 

Hope this helps. Will

[Guest redeye]

jasper what are the pros and cons of p/r and inprinted gos's,

i was thinking about going on to a gos next year to fly over my cocker,

am trying to find out as much info as a i can about gos's..

cheers

 

Probably the main benefit of flying a Imprint over a P/R bird Jamesy is 99% of the Manning is done in the rearing! Social Imprinting is just that. you socialize with the bird constantly but have no food association with it, the idea of this is when the bird is flying it doesn't show the Bad habbits associated with Full blown food Imprints or Mal imprints.

 

The problem with all Imprints though Jamesey is they are basicly totaly f****d in the head ! I'm not convinced they're really sure what they are? do they think are they human like the person who socialized with them from a downy? I have no idea, basically they're a bit confused!! they have to be confused for the males to copulate with humans and the females to stand for humans for copulation. one thing you can Gurrantee with all Imprints is they are easily offended, I suppose in their eyes when the handler has to cast it for some reason its like being man handled or attacked by another of its kind, the P/R bird on the other hand won't be offended in the same way, Basically it knows its a bird and it won't come across that its being man handled by another of its own species.

 

Some Imprints are fine when done properly but I must admit alot of females I have seen in the past have been flown mildly over weight expecially in the first year to avoid bad Habbits, This is bound to rear its head with any Imprint being cut keen, Mantling/Screaming/ Aggresion are a few traits you could experience but alot of the time these will get better with a few kills and fills under theit belt .

 

On the other Hand the P/R bird when manned down and flown keen at Hunting weight won't show any of the above if its been P/R properly, having said that taking a P/R bird earley straight out of the aviary and hitting them hard in the guts can start them off screaming. I personally love the P/R birds mate as for me they opitimise what Falconry is about! taking a wild bird out of a Aviary to the stage of feeding off the fist, Manning, Jumping to the fist, Creance, Loose, and then the real prize to go out and take quarry with your bird, to me the achievments and gratitudes are much higher and much deserved.

 

If you look back over the years when the old school Falconers manned and trainned their birds all their stock was wild stock, either Passage or Haggard, these old school warriors made steady good Hunting birds from birds which was other wise fearfull of man in a big way. they was lucky guys as their birds had already proved themselves in the wild as good Hunting stock and was the cream of the crop, some of these birds was the the survivors of Harsh winters and the harsh reality of nature but coped and proved their efficiency as Hunters in the wild, what a jem it would be to take up a bird like this.

 

All in all in my mind Falconry was based on the guys of yester years acheivments. these guys set the pace and put the time in to the wildest of birds and acheived so much with them, its fair to say things have moved on since then but the fundermental basics are still there, Its Horses for courses really! but when it comes to flying I'll be going P/R everytime....

 

Cheers

 

Jasper

 

Hi Tony,

 

I agree with pretty much what you said and would much rather have a pr over a messed up imprint. That said provided I had the both the time and plenty of quarry to fly at during July/ August i would do imprint every time. A good imprint should settle itself very quickly when it is upset and need no carriage to bring it into yarak.

As for casting I have never had any issues, infact last October straight after casting & coping we went out and had some decent flights and killed a couple of pheasants. I will admit to not letting the hawk see ME either prior to or when it is cast.

What i would say is that anyone even contemplating an imprint should have both a thorough knowledge of hawks and a plan of where they are going during those formative weeks.

Screaming and aggression is minimised by one thing - flying at and killing quarry, I aimed from about 7-8 weeks to have the bird out killing most days (6 out of 7) until it is about 15weeks old. That is the way to achieve a well mannered & rounded imprint and is no shortcut.

 

atb

 

Ivan