CRUEL B#####D

[Hob&Jill 258]

Fair enough, good point Bob

 

Should think she does have more experince than me, I have only watched it lol

 

'Battered to death' Is it really that common? Greyhounds getting pts is obviously very common, but Battered? Hung? Drowned? Its just using emotive words to try and get you point accross. Just like antis do with Hunting on there websites.

It does happen, but is it very common? I would think that the vast majority of Greyhound trainers kill the dogs quickly and humanly.

 

I remember a post a while back on some guy being prosectuted for killing mass numbers of ex-track Greys, perfectly humanly with a captive boltgun. The uproar that caused! Just like fox hunting, now he's gone it dosent meen less Greyhounds are going to be killed it just meens they will be killed differently, and in some cases less humanly. All though thats only a small example, catch my drift?

 

I'm blabbing. Will shut up and stop talking about what I dont know

 

H&J

 

PS Edit> martin, dont think anything of you I wasnt justifying what he did, far from it 'dont talk shit' I didnt meen it in a argumentative way, although it sounds like I did. I just have a funny way of saying things

Edited July 18, 2007 by Hob&Jill

[FAGAN 5]

This is the story that was in the Scottish Daily Mail today-

 

A greyhound was shot in the head and dumped in a ditch only hours after losing a race.

 

Jamiedan Flyer came last at a meeting earlier this month, despite being heavily favoured by punters.

 

Later that night, the terrified animal's howls were heard by a couple who later found him lying against a tree in a pool of blood.

A local vet was called in an attempt to help the dog, but it was so badly injured it had to be put down.

 

Last night vet Lorna Lazenby said she was disgusted when she arrived to help the stricken animal as it lay in the ditch near Dalrymple, Ayrshire.

 

She said "when I got there, the dog was in real distress and was howling-he was completely put of it. All he had was a little hole in his temple, as if he had been shot by an airgun, and there was alot of blood.

 

It was so sad because there was nothing I could do to halp him. I was just glad I was able to ease his suffering and put him down."

 

Later the dog was identified as Jamiedean Flyerfrom a tattoo on his ear and it emerged that he came last at Ayr greyhound stadium on July 8th.

 

An insider at the track said "There had been heavy betting on the dog and a lot of money was lost. There were rumours this was going to happen and everyone at the track was disgustedwhen we found out what had happened."

 

Alan Shaw, the owner of the dog, has since been banned from racing at Ayr.

 

Outside his home in Dalrymple yesterday ,construction worker Mr Shaw said he only had the dog for a couple of weeks and sold it after the race.

He added "I was sickened when I found out what had happened to him. The only reason I sold him was because I was building a new shed in my back garden to keep my greyhounds."

 

Mr Shaw refused to reveal to whom he sold the animal.

 

A spokesman at the track confirmed that all of Mr Shaw's dogs had been banned from future race cards pending further inquiry.

 

It is now feared the remote spot in South Ayrshire has been used as anexecution site for failed racing dogs over a long period of time.

 

Days after the attack, workers at Greyhound Rescue Scotland found the remains of a second dog lying just a few hundred yards away at the bottom of the same ditch.

 

Charity worker Carol Scott said "It looks like this dog had also been taken to this ditch to be killed and that it died the same way. It was found further down and close to a stream, as if it had been crawling to get a drink of water.

 

We work so hard to rehome greyhounds and most owners will work with us to get their dogs a good home when their racing days are over.

 

It is very distressing that some owners cannot work with us .or even have their dogs put down humanely."

 

A spokesman for the SSPCA said it could not take any action because the body of the dog had been disposed ofbefore a post mortem examination could be carried out.

 

He added "In any potential case of animal cruelty, we would advise that the body is kept as evidence. Unfortunately the police advised the vet to dispose of the body and there was nothing further we could do."

 

Charities estimate that thousands of greyhouinds are killed every year they outlive their racing usefulness.

MR SHAW REFUSED TO REVEAL WHO HE SOLD THE ANIMAL TO WHATS THAT ABOUT ANYONE WILLING TO PROTECT SCUM LIKE THAT IS SURELY OBSTRUCTING THE POLICE, HANG HIM UP

[FastDogz 155]

Battering,hanging and drowning is common im afraid i wasnt just been bitchy...it does happen - id say more commonplace in Spain and know many links and pics that bring this to light but there not nice

And as for the bolt gun guy - In my own humble opinion that isnt humane either - Humane is a injection done by a vet swiftly quitely and painless and most of all DIGNIFIED (for mans best friend anyway).

I have never been one to condone putting healthy animals to sleep but thats just me you know - but rather by injection than a bolt gun through the head in some dark shed dont you think?A bolt gun that if done slightly in the wrong place will cause dying agony.

And you cant compare it to fox hunting - Hunting is tradition,it WAS sport - Shooting dogs jsut because they slow in my eyes isnt sport.

I know many people in the Greyhound world and the majority are fab people - dogs on there sofas til the day they die that they have raced,some are homed and kept in touch and some are handed to the RGT - but ive also experainced my fair share of not so nice ones.

 

I am not Anti racing - I am Anti cruelty and Anti "disposing of" healthy dogs....there is a big diffreance.

 

I do admit there will never be enough homes for all the dogs bred each year and if they must be PTS then it should be done humanley..this is all i gotta say

Edited July 18, 2007 by FastDogz

[jultaylor1972 2]

What a bloody shame for that poor dog, FFS, it doesnt cost that much to have a dog PTS in a humane manner, Im not loaded with cash and its certainly NOT my livelihood to race dogs but come on, if their time is up, end their lives properly! I dont know how the owners can sleep at night.

[jultaylor1972 2]

What a bloody shame for that poor dog, FFS, it doesnt cost that much to have a dog PTS in a humane manner, Im not loaded with cash and its certainly NOT my livelihood to race dogs but come on, if their time is up, end their lives properly! I dont know how the owners can sleep at night.

[Guest MOLLY]

And you have such a better way of putting things across than me

Not necessarily FD, its obvious you are very passionate about rescue greys and it shows when you write.

One thing i do slightly disagree with you about. Ive had animals pts by vets and its something i would rather avoid if possible doing again. You are rather mislead if you think people who pts their own dogs do it in some seedy way in a dark shed. I am aware of quite a few people who pts their own dogs and it is done with real compassion and respect for the animal.

If i am lucky enough to have my own way, id rather my dogs were pts in surroundings they know by people they know, hopefully whilst eating the biggest bowl of food they have ever seen, not trembling in fear at the vets

MOLL.

[jrt666 1]

What a bloody shame for that poor dog, FFS, it doesnt cost that much to have a dog PTS in a humane manner, Im not loaded with cash and its certainly NOT my livelihood to race dogs but come on, if their time is up, end their lives properly! I dont know how the owners can sleep at night.

 

 

a well made point on a very sad subject

 

no need for it to happen poor animal

[FastDogz 155]

Nah Molly when i mentioned the shed i was mainly referring to the Bolt Gun guy who did them Greyhound in the shed - bang - and out in a wheelbarrow

 

I myself if i had the equipment (IE) correct drugs and a needle would happily PTS my own dog at home again as you say laid on a soft bed eating a giant bowl food I'd have no qualms about doing it - I just wudnt have clue where to start

Funny you should mention that actually because the 13 yr old Grey bitch i care for i dont think she will see this year out and shes shit scared of vets - So looks like when her times ready its one heafty hell of a call out fee for her "real owner" although she is with me 24/7 - defiantly have no qualms the way you discribe it Moll

[Hob&Jill 258]

I wasnt comparing it to Hunting, I was just using it to explain something.

 

I dont understand how you think a boltgun is inhumane? Just because blood is spilt and is dosent look as tidy as a injection, dosent meen its not humane. Wether its dignified dosent come into it IMO, as long as its quick.

 

Unfortunatly I had to put 2 Ferret Kits to sleep Today Not that I want to go into detail but I used an air rifle, It could not have been quicker. One secone they were licking about Ferretone (oily stuff that Ferrets like) of a board, the next they were gone. I wouldnt have had them put to sleep with a injection if someone paid me.

 

Anyway, sorry for the 'dont talk shit' was immature Lets agree to disagree

 

All the best, H&J

[Guest MOLLY]

Anyway, sorry for the 'dont talk shit' was immature Lets agree to disagree

 

All the best, H&J

Respect

MOLL.

[FastDogz 155]

No worrys H&J

 

Sorry to hear about the kits - I guess with me its just i dunno my major love of Greyhounds.But i think dignified does to come into it again thats just my opinion - But when you have 2 at home one 13 yr old and one a 6 yr old and there sprawled out happy as pig in shit,loving every minute of life and you feel like you world would fall apart without them - well i dunno it just stirs a fire inside you y'know....hard to discribe

 

Anyways agree to disagree and all that - again sorry to hear bout the kits

[Guest POT FILLER]

TO TREAT AN ANIMAL LIKE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE SOME REAL SICK INDIVIDUAL,I HOPE THE CUPRIT GETS HIS COMUPANTS ONE DAY, PROBLEY A NUTCASE SOME TRAINER USES TO DESCARD OF IS OLD STOCK,

[Guest MOLLY]

Nah Molly when i mentioned the shed i was mainly referring to the Bolt Gun guy who did them Greyhound in the shed - bang - and out in a wheelbarrow

 

I myself if i had the equipment (IE) correct drugs and a needle would happily PTS my own dog at home again as you say laid on a soft bed eating a giant bowl food I'd have no qualms about doing it - I just wudnt have clue where to start

Funny you should mention that actually because the 13 yr old Grey bitch i care for i dont think she will see this year out and shes shit scared of vets - So looks like when her times ready its one heafty hell of a call out fee for her "real owner" although she is with me 24/7 - defiantly have no qualms the way you discribe it Moll

 

Im not on about using a needle either though FD, my way would be much quicker and less stressfull.

Once the dog is dead it is dead. To me it makes no difference that it was shot or was in a wheelbarrow afterward, but i do know how you feel. The respect should come for it in the way it is killed (quickly and painlessly, both psychologically and physically) I had no problems with the guy who was killing greys, he provided a much needed service allbeit not how it should have been done in an ideal world. I just hope he gave each one a tickle behind the ear prior to it. Thinking this way helps me sleep easier at night.

MOLL.

[Guest baldie]

The money that these b*****ds make from their dogs, and then dont have the decency to do right by the animal, never fails to to astound me. Greyhound racing is a f*****g disgusting industry, and by that, i mean the way the animals are churned out, exploited, and inhumanely disposed of NOT racing itself, which i enjoy, and participate in myself, though i sometimes wonder if by enjoying a night at the dogs, i,m helping to perpetuate the misery, inflicted by SOME, not, ALL owners. Roll on some tighter restrictions, its 2007 and dogs should not be treated this way, and anyone who thinks its right, is a f*****g animal themselves. I have spent 2 grand on a little terrier, who cost me a tenner, since january, and she left me last wednesday night, i couldn,t spare that money, but i loved her....whats 2 grand to a greyhound racer?...f**k all, i hope his kennels get parvo, and his knob gets ghonnorhea, and his wifes piss flaps fester, the filthy b*****d.

[FastDogz 155]

The money that these b*****ds make from their dogs, and then dont have the decency to do right by the animal, never fails to to astound me. Greyhound racing is a f*****g disgusting industry, and by that, i mean the way the animals are churned out, exploited, and inhumanely disposed of NOT racing itself, which i enjoy, and participate in myself, though i sometimes wonder if by enjoying a night at the dogs, i,m helping to perpetuate the misery, inflicted by SOME, not, ALL owners. Roll on some tighter restrictions, its 2007 and dogs should not be treated this way, and anyone who thinks its right, is a f*****g animal themselves. I have spent 2 grand on a little terrier, who cost me a tenner, since january, and she left me last wednesday night, i couldn,t spare that money, but i loved her....whats 2 grand to a greyhound racer?...f**k all, i hope his kennels get parvo, and his knob gets ghonnorhea, and his wifes piss flaps fester, the filthy b*****d.

Quite agree - apart from the kennels and parvo part - the dogs would suffer then - I hope his knob drops off tho