Forget Horsemeat Have Chicken

[bryson 562]

  On 08/02/2013 at 21:30, forest of dean redneck said:

even more fun,find out how well your local takeout place is.

 

http://ratings.food.gov.uk/search-a-local-authority-area/en-GB

cheers for that mate ive just looked and am quite shocked actually theres a few places i will not be going back to

[Nik_B 3,790]

  On 09/02/2013 at 14:49, Ratreeper said:

I don't mind if my nuggets contains organs etc, just like sausages as long as it tastes nice as I think people are too bloody squeamish about what they eat and I hate seeing anything go to waste.

 

My biggest pet peeve with chicken isn't processed (which doesn't contain the guts btw!) it's when people buy a roast and leave half the meat on the carcass, you can make sandwiches for days on what's left.

 

Yeh and the most valuable bit in my opinion is a good stock. You can make enough soup to last weeks or a rissoto both a great way to use up your old veg.

[Nik_B 3,790]

  On 08/02/2013 at 14:24, JohnGalway said:

 

  On 08/02/2013 at 13:15, LaraCroft said:

I think people are unrealistic about food these days. If they knew how much work went into producing meat of any sort in the UK, they would understand why not only decent meat cuts are the price they are, but why it is daft to expect there to be anything like decent quality meat in a pack of 8 burgers costing 99p

 

It sounds like someone in the Findus factory has made a huge profit using low priced french horse meat instead of beef.

 

Completely true.

 

If you look back into the past, people spent a lot bigger % of their "disposable income" on food. Now, it's preferable to spend a lot more of that DI on flat screen TV's, holidays etc.

 

This is a consumer driven issue. People do not inform themselves of what's in what they're eating, or what's not in what they're eating.

 

I'm as guilty of it as anyone else.

 

There are of course people in unenviable financial positions where food can only be cheap, as they don't have the money to buy what I would call "proper food".

 

The bad thing is it'll be them who're the main players who will benefit from such crises as the food mis labelling beef/horsemeat issue. Supermarkets will dump suppliers. Suppliers/processors will fire the odd person and blame someone else.

 

In 6 months time everything will be back to normal. People will still be flocking to Supermarkets.

 

In the mean time, the price of beef, and likely given the comments I've read, other meats, will have fallen for the farmer.

 

Dishonest and overly processed food is plain bad news for everyone.

 

 

Good points but I think there is a perception that packet food is cheaper and that poorer people can only afford that when I think that is absolutely the opposite.

 

There is a lot of knowledge that has been lost or ignored from previous generations. People buy reconstituted ham (which looks nothing like ham) for 2 quid and you only get a couple of hundred grams of the stuff. Instead you could buy a ham shank and have more than enough meat for sandwiches and like I said in my other post you have the stock which is the basis for a full meal like risoto etc.

 

We don't spend loads on food but we eat well and the rule in our house is that we never buy packet food. I think you can easily make meals for £1 per portion.

[paulus 26]

[Nik_B 3,790]

Paulus I'm glad I wasn't drinking a cup of tea!!

 

:laugh:

[JohnGalway 1,043]

  On 09/02/2013 at 16:22, Nik_B said:

 

  On 08/02/2013 at 14:24, JohnGalway said:

 

  On 08/02/2013 at 13:15, LaraCroft said:

I think people are unrealistic about food these days. If they knew how much work went into producing meat of any sort in the UK, they would understand why not only decent meat cuts are the price they are, but why it is daft to expect there to be anything like decent quality meat in a pack of 8 burgers costing 99p

 

It sounds like someone in the Findus factory has made a huge profit using low priced french horse meat instead of beef.

 

Completely true.

 

If you look back into the past, people spent a lot bigger % of their "disposable income" on food. Now, it's preferable to spend a lot more of that DI on flat screen TV's, holidays etc.

 

This is a consumer driven issue. People do not inform themselves of what's in what they're eating, or what's not in what they're eating.

 

I'm as guilty of it as anyone else.

 

There are of course people in unenviable financial positions where food can only be cheap, as they don't have the money to buy what I would call "proper food".

 

The bad thing is it'll be them who're the main players who will benefit from such crises as the food mis labelling beef/horsemeat issue. Supermarkets will dump suppliers. Suppliers/processors will fire the odd person and blame someone else.

 

In 6 months time everything will be back to normal. People will still be flocking to Supermarkets.

 

In the mean time, the price of beef, and likely given the comments I've read, other meats, will have fallen for the farmer.

 

Dishonest and overly processed food is plain bad news for everyone.

 

 

Good points but I think there is a perception that packet food is cheaper and that poorer people can only afford that when I think that is absolutely the opposite.

 

There is a lot of knowledge that has been lost or ignored from previous generations. People buy reconstituted ham (which looks nothing like ham) for 2 quid and you only get a couple of hundred grams of the stuff. Instead you could buy a ham shank and have more than enough meat for sandwiches and like I said in my other post you have the stock which is the basis for a full meal like risoto etc.

 

We don't spend loads on food but we eat well and the rule in our house is that we never buy packet food. I think you can easily make meals for £1 per portion.

 

People can only buy what they can afford. If they're living hand to mouth already it doesn't take much to rock the boat. I can't agree with your point, the alternative you propose presumably costs a lot more than the packet or reconstituted ham.

 

It is about cash flow and what people can afford to buy in the moment.

[paulus 26]

ham hock is as cheap as chips and can be used for more than just a sarnie unlike the wafer thin packets of 99% water and 1% ham

[danw 1,748]

Truth is most folks couldn't cook a tin of beans let alone f**k all else so they buy processed shite

[paulus 26]

  On 09/02/2013 at 16:54, danw said:

Truth is most folks couldn't cook a tin of beans let alone f**k all else so they buy processed shite

plus the way energy prices are 2 minutes in the microwave vrs 2 hrs in the oven

[LaraCroft 863]

  On 09/02/2013 at 16:42, JohnGalway said:

 

  On 09/02/2013 at 16:22, Nik_B said:

 

  On 08/02/2013 at 14:24, JohnGalway said:

 

  On 08/02/2013 at 13:15, LaraCroft said:

I think people are unrealistic about food these days. If they knew how much work went into producing meat of any sort in the UK, they would understand why not only decent meat cuts are the price they are, but why it is daft to expect there to be anything like decent quality meat in a pack of 8 burgers costing 99p

 

It sounds like someone in the Findus factory has made a huge profit using low priced french horse meat instead of beef.

 

Completely true.

 

If you look back into the past, people spent a lot bigger % of their "disposable income" on food. Now, it's preferable to spend a lot more of that DI on flat screen TV's, holidays etc.

 

This is a consumer driven issue. People do not inform themselves of what's in what they're eating, or what's not in what they're eating.

 

I'm as guilty of it as anyone else.

 

There are of course people in unenviable financial positions where food can only be cheap, as they don't have the money to buy what I would call "proper food".

 

The bad thing is it'll be them who're the main players who will benefit from such crises as the food mis labelling beef/horsemeat issue. Supermarkets will dump suppliers. Suppliers/processors will fire the odd person and blame someone else.

 

In 6 months time everything will be back to normal. People will still be flocking to Supermarkets.

 

In the mean time, the price of beef, and likely given the comments I've read, other meats, will have fallen for the farmer.

 

Dishonest and overly processed food is plain bad news for everyone.

 

 

Good points but I think there is a perception that packet food is cheaper and that poorer people can only afford that when I think that is absolutely the opposite.

 

There is a lot of knowledge that has been lost or ignored from previous generations. People buy reconstituted ham (which looks nothing like ham) for 2 quid and you only get a couple of hundred grams of the stuff. Instead you could buy a ham shank and have more than enough meat for sandwiches and like I said in my other post you have the stock which is the basis for a full meal like risoto etc.

 

We don't spend loads on food but we eat well and the rule in our house is that we never buy packet food. I think you can easily make meals for £1 per portion.

 

People can only buy what they can afford. If they're living hand to mouth already it doesn't take much to rock the boat. I can't agree with your point, the alternative you propose presumably costs a lot more than the packet or reconstituted ham.

 

It is about cash flow and what people can afford to buy in the moment.

I see what you mean - but I think the way people cook has changed, as well as perceptions of packet food being cheaper. Meals are a " thing" in their own right now, rather than being something planned - my Gran taught me to cook, and most meals led into the next meal. A chicken would be roasted, with veg, then the leftovers used in the next meal and the carcass boiled for stock for a soup etc. I am sure it is just more convenient to take some frozen packet stuff and shove it in the oven and produce a meal, than cook something properly. I spent many a happy hour with her making sausages and burgers from home minced off cuts. You knew exactly what was going into them !

[Nik_B 3,790]

Exactly

 

My mum taught us all how to cook so it's second nature to be able to knock something nice up using what most people think are scraps.

 

People just buy what the supermarket put in front of them but supermarkets are the most expensive place to buy food from. We have a green grocer that sells milk eggs and veg miles cheaper and the quality is better, so we get that stuff from there. Our meat comes from a farm shop, that definitely isn't cheaper but it is better quality for a similar price of the half decent stuff ina supermarkets personally I'd rather be vegetarian than eat the value type meat from there.

 

We have a budget in our house but it is way more than it needs to be because my missus doesn't have the same upbringing but still we don't spend that much.

 

The problem with packet stuff (apart from it being disgusting shit) is you don't get left overs like stock for the next meal so you are trapped to having to buy a packet meal every day and they are very very expensive.

 

In the end a baked potato costs next to nothing, nor does egg mayonnaise for sandwiches, we can get ham shanks for 2 quid. I think people have it pretty good even though food costs are going up.

[Nik_B 3,790]

  On 09/02/2013 at 16:56, paulus said:

 

  On 09/02/2013 at 16:54, danw said:

Truth is most folks couldn't cook a tin of beans let alone f**k all else so they buy processed shite

plus the way energy prices are 2 minutes in the microwave vrs 2 hrs in the oven

 

Get a JML

 

We hardly put the oven on any more

[paulus 26]

  On 09/02/2013 at 19:04, Nik_B said:

 

  On 09/02/2013 at 16:56, paulus said:

 

  On 09/02/2013 at 16:54, danw said:

Truth is most folks couldn't cook a tin of beans let alone f**k all else so they buy processed shite

plus the way energy prices are 2 minutes in the microwave vrs 2 hrs in the oven

 

Get a JML

 

We hardly put the oven on any more

how the fook is a hard skin remover or ironing board cover going to help :laugh:

[Nik_B 3,790]

halogen cooker thingie...they're brill.

 

Or you can cook your dinner in a ironing board cover but it tends to get messy