baw 4,360 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 When I was young my mother used anything she had at hand to discipline. She wasn't too fussy what she used or where she hit lol. Auld boy, he was scarier. As a teenager he wouldn't think twice of smacking you in the mouth and I don't mean a slap. Any fights you were in, you'd get it worse at home off him if you never stood up for yourself. So you tended to stand up for yourself. Did I deserve it, f**k yes. No hard feelings over it, it's the way it was. But it taught me to respect others something that is sincerely lacking in today's society and also to fight . I'm not saying we should go back to those days, those days are gone but the pendulum has swung to far the other way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 i read a link earlier about the cases in oxford one of the girls father had done everything he could to stop it happening, police social services even walking the streets and nobody wanted to know or do anything, so maybe its not just the parents faults maybe its the system aswell. Cant get with that at all mate, as any parent will know, wild horses wouldnt stop you from getting to these people........it would stop because they wouldnt be physically capable of doing it any more. These people always want to blame "the system" or "society" or "poverty"........99.9% of these type of folk want to give their f***ing head a shake, you dont need money or a social worker to be a good parent and raise your children with values. Kids are a one shot deal, you get one chance at raising them right and doing your best by them........you dont get a second go round. We have all seen these familys where there a few kids to different dads, the mums sitting around smoking weed all day with her latest boyfriend, the old man is an alky or always in & out the nick for some petty crime House is a khazi, no interest taken in the childrens apperance, education, well being or where they are.........these folk should be sterilized. Kids need normal and boring and a whole lot of love and encouragement..........not coming home to a house full of shitbags, sat on their arse stinking and doing drugs. my mrs would agree with this 100 % and she is a gooden, the best mother and wife any one could wish for and sadly near the end of her life ,.....................what makes me sick is why does it happen to the goodens,........while the rest of these low lifes who do drugs and that live forever.............. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vixen 528 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) i myself have 4 kids well semi adults and 3 are girls 16/18 and 22 allthough i do not live with them its constant pressure for there mother, as they dont care a flying fook what i have to say on any matter wotsoever. its NOT about what you do if this or that happens, ita what you are doing NOW that matters. Its a very difficult place this world we live in i fear more for my kids, kids thats for sure BAW..............if i had a 13yr old daughter and she was coming home with mens clothes then obviously i would deal with the situation how i saw fit at the time, i have three sons two of which in the teenage years have given me grief that i have dealt with and had plenty of stressful situations with them but all three now have grown into mature adults and have children of their own now and see for themselves the error of their teenage years!! The rebel teenage years are no fun but worth it when you see them take the right path, parents can only guide their children, they cannot force or make them do something, when they reach a certain age they choose their own path which in some cases unfortunately goes out of the parents control, but until parents have been through bad/good times with their teenage sons/daughters then they should NEVER comment on anyone elses children who are maybe going through a tough time! Did you answer the question? Was that your answer in the first line of that lecture? As you see fit at the time? Thanks for that....... You're welcome.................No one can say how they would react to that situation unless your own flesh and blood teenager was standing there in front of you, they could be in ANY mood, defiant/hurt/aggressive/angry so unless in the situation all i can say is i would deal with it accordingly!! Also BAW i wasn't giving a lecture only sharing MY experience!! and as i said........if you haven't been through the rough and smooth of the teenage hell years then you cant comment on anyone elses children, you can imagine what you would/might do but believe me it doesn't work like that......... Edited February 7, 2013 by vixen 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 i myself have 4 kids well semi adults and 3 are girls 16/18 and 22 allthough i do not live with them its constant pressure for there mother, as they dont care a flying fook what i have to say on any matter wotsoever. its NOT about what you do if this or that happens, ita what you are doing NOW that matters. Its a very difficult place this world we live in i fear more for my kids, kids thats for sure BAW..............if i had a 13yr old daughter and she was coming home with mens clothes then obviously i would deal with the situation how i saw fit at the time, i have three sons two of which in the teenage years have given me grief that i have dealt with and had plenty of stressful situations with them but all three now have grown into mature adults and have children of their own now and see for themselves the error of their teenage years!! The rebel teenage years are no fun but worth it when you see them take the right path, parents can only guide their children, they cannot force or make them do something, when they reach a certain age they choose their own path which in some cases unfortunately goes out of the parents control, but until parents have been through bad/good times with their teenage sons/daughters then they should NEVER comment on anyone elses children who are maybe going through a tough time! Did you answer the question? Was that your answer in the first line of that lecture? As you see fit at the time? Thanks for that....... You're welcome.................No one can say how they would react to that situation unless your own flesh and blood teenager was standing there in front of you, they could be in ANY mood, defiant/hurt/aggressive/angry so unless in the situation all i can say is i would deal with it accordingly!! Also BAW i wasn't giving a lecture only sharing MY experience!! and as i said........if you haven't been through the rough and smooth of the teenage hell years then you cant comment on anyone elses children, you can imagine what you would/might do but believe me it doesn't work like that......... Right.......... So we can't comment on a guy letting a 13 year old walk the streets till 11pm? Ok....... Is it you who decides what we are allowed to comment on or do we follow your example? You were happy to say a 16 year old shouldn't have a dog unless he has a thousand pounds in the bank which I find mind boggling laughable. When I got into dogs a long time ago, there was no way I'd have a grand saved up. Doubt most would. So if we followed your advice most on here wouldn't be into dogs. You keep telling me what I can talk about and ill keep laughing at your silly philosophies of how we should live our lives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vixen 528 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 How do you know she didn't sneak out the house or say she was staying with a friend (as they do)??? anyhow.............i never said anywhere on here that a 16yr old couldn't have a dog unless he had a thousand pounds.............i said he shouldn't have a dog unless he can or his parents can AND agree to treating it in a medical emergency (which i think is sensible)!! and baw...............laugh on 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 How do you know she didn't sneak out the house or say she was staying with a friend (as they do)??? anyhow.............i never said anywhere on here that a 16yr old couldn't have a dog unless he had a thousand pounds.............i said he shouldn't have a dog unless he can or his parents can AND agree to treating it in a medical emergency (which i think is sensible)!! and baw...............laugh on Lol vixen, ok I appolagise, I miss read your post regarding the money. You did say it shouldn't be left to his mum though. The boys spent £152 and has no dog to show for it, looks to me like he can afford a dog. Anyhow...... Yes the lassy probably did sneak out but the father said he had went to the police so he knew what was going on. You appear to be backing the father up, do you think he did the best he could, better than you? I'd like to think if I had a 13 year old daughter and knew she was getting gangraped by a bunch of pakis, I'd be able to stop it happening, don't you? Or do we just hold our hands up and say kids will be kids sigh..... She'll learn her lesson once she has aids...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 How do you know she didn't sneak out the house or say she was staying with a friend (as they do)??? anyhow.............i never said anywhere on here that a 16yr old couldn't have a dog unless he had a thousand pounds.............i said he shouldn't have a dog unless he can or his parents can AND agree to treating it in a medical emergency (which i think is sensible)!! and baw...............laugh on Lol vixen, ok I appolagise, I miss read your post regarding the money. You did say it shouldn't be left to his mum though. The boys spent £152 and has no dog to show for it, looks to me like he can afford a dog. Anyhow...... Yes the lassy probably did sneak out but the father said he had went to the police so he knew what was going on. You appear to be backing the father up, do you think he did the best he could, better than you? I'd like to think if I had a 13 year old daughter and knew she was getting gangraped by a bunch of pakis, I'd be able to stop it happening, don't you? Or do we just hold our hands up and say kids will be kids sigh..... She'll learn her lesson once she has aids...... > How do you know she didn't sneak out the house or say she was staying with a friend (as they do)??? anyhow.............i never said anywhere on here that a 16yr old couldn't have a dog unless he had a thousand pounds.............i said he shouldn't have a dog unless he can or his parents can AND agree to treating it in a medical emergency (which i think is sensible)!! and baw...............laugh on Lol vixen, ok I appolagise, I miss read your post regarding the money. You did say it shouldn't be left to his mum though. The boys spent £152 and has no dog to show for it, looks to me like he can afford a dog. Anyhow...... Yes the lassy probably did sneak out but the father said he had went to the police so he knew what was going on. You appear to be backing the father up, do you think he did the best he could, better than you? I'd like to think if I had a 13 year old daughter and knew she was getting gangraped by a bunch of pakis, I'd be able to stop it happening, don't you? Or do we just hold our hands up and say kids will be kids sigh..... She'll learn her lesson once she has aids...... i honestly cant believe some folk....................easy enough to make kids ,.but it comes with a life time of devotion and comitment................ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,680 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Interesting views on all of this, but hey ho here's my take on it.... I have a 14 year old daughter, her phone is vetted, her lap top is snooped on, she doesn't walk around the streets EVER after dark, both me and my wife openly explain and discuss the dangers she faces at this age, under age sex, smoking, drinking, drugs..... Don't forget kids today can be corrupted in their own house through the vile twats who float around the Internet sites, this alone is a problem most of our parents never had to contend with.... On they're phones at school they can share vile porn, boys see things at such a young age and then think that it's normal practice...... As kids of that age most of us would find a dirty mag in the woods and gather round it lol........ Now if my daughter was out roaming the streets at night at 13 years old I've let her down, it says the father couldn't keep her in..... What the F... Yes I'm protective, I love my kids more than anything, as most do, we have bumpy times awkward roads to negotiate but we've made a close bond with her, we have her friends in the house whenever rather than roam the streets... Parentings not rocket science, it's not easy but I'd rather be a nosey over protective fart than my kids being subjected to some of the things you read..... Paid: I thought your remark about our armed forces was awful, they've enough on they're plate without shit like that..... Support the lads Ffs Edited February 7, 2013 by NEWKID 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Interesting views on all of this, but hey ho here's my take on it.... I have a 14 year old daughter, her phone is vetted, her lap top is snooped on, she doesn't walk around the streets EVER after dark, both me and my wife openly explain and discuss the savers she faces at this age, under age sex, smoking, drinking, drugs..... Don't forget kids today can be corrupted in their own house through the vile twats who float around the Internet sites, this alone is a problem most of our parents never had to contend with.... On they're phones at school they can share vile porn, boys see things at such a young age and then think that it's normal practice...... Most of us would find a dirty mag in the woods and gather round it lol........ Now if my daughter was out roaming the streets at night at 13 years old I've let her down, it says the father couldn't keep her in..... What the F... Yes I'm protective, I love my kids more than anything, as most do, we have bumpy times awkward roads to negotiate but we've made a close bond with her, we have her friends in the house whenever rather than roam the streets... Parentings not rocket science, it's not easy but I'd rather be a nosey over protective fart than my kids being subjected to some of the things you read..... Paid: I thought your remark about our armed forces was awful, they've enough on they're plate without shit like that..... Support the lads Ffs speaking of vile twats ................where has my teddy bear gone.!! now my love im sure if your daughter was acting out of character you would have a good idea..............i think neglect is a word i would use for a father of a 13 year old girl who is gone for days without contact etc etc.................imagine what life she has had with a father who doesnt give too flying fecks of what or where his daughter is............ its understood they well reared children do meet the wrong people and do the wrong things but that girls father is a poor excuse.........and not knowing for that long ............horlicks me thinks..... i would have the police out if she was gone for one night..............ok couple hours late more realisticly...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vixen 528 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 How do you know she didn't sneak out the house or say she was staying with a friend (as they do)??? anyhow.............i never said anywhere on here that a 16yr old couldn't have a dog unless he had a thousand pounds.............i said he shouldn't have a dog unless he can or his parents can AND agree to treating it in a medical emergency (which i think is sensible)!! and baw...............laugh on Lol vixen, ok I appolagise, I miss read your post regarding the money. You did say it shouldn't be left to his mum though. The boys spent £152 and has no dog to show for it, looks to me like he can afford a dog. Anyhow...... Yes the lassy probably did sneak out but the father said he had went to the police so he knew what was going on. You appear to be backing the father up, do you think he did the best he could, better than you? I'd like to think if I had a 13 year old daughter and knew she was getting gangraped by a bunch of pakis, I'd be able to stop it happening, don't you? Or do we just hold our hands up and say kids will be kids sigh..... She'll learn her lesson once she has aids...... Appology accepted.......... 1/ having the money to buy something doesn't mean you can maintain it. Anyhow........ 2/ i'm not backing the father up, but there seems to be some self rightious people on here blame parents for everything because it's easy to do that, drug addicts dont always come from drug taking parents, alcoholics dont always come from alcoholic parents, off the rail children dont always come from off the rail parents, they can all come from ANY back ground or have ANY kind of upbringing. 3/ no i don't think he done his best but maybe HE thought he did. 4/ i dont have a daughter but i have two granddaughters i would go to prison for if ANYONE hurt a hair on their heads. 5/ no we dont just hold our hands up and sigh, but some people do things differently even if WE know it's not enough, i put a post up other day about a wee five year old being raped tortured and murdered by her islamic preacher father(where was the wee souls mother to protect her?), who only got a fine for his evil barbaric deeds........the people committing these crimes against our children and their own children should be burned alive, so to sum it up NO i wouldn't have done the same as the father of the 13yr old girl if she were my own because i would be in prison myself right now for murder. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,099 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Agreed, this stuff could happen to the very best of parents but as I have said before its all about the averages. To say however that this bloke may have done his best is complete mince! By his own admission he has watched his daughter walk in the house in some right states, knew something was badly wrong and the best he could muster was " asking for her to be taken into care".............sorry, but the dudes an utter rinse! Edited February 7, 2013 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Agreed, this stuff could happen to the very best of parents but as I have said before its all about the averages. To say however that this bloke may have done his best is complete mince! By his own admission he has watched his daughter walk in the house in some right states, knew something was badly wrong and the best he could muster was " asking for her to be taken into care".............sorry, but the dudes an utter rinse! doesn`t the fact a father has asked for his daughter to be taken into care tell you that he can no longer cope with the situation anymore, he may not have been the best parent in the world but he asked for help when he new he needed it, doesnt the fact that still no help was given to him after this also tell you something Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,099 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Well if that's the best he can do when it comes to his kids, then the bloke shouldn't be allowed to own a guinea pig never mind be a parent. I reckon me and you could go round in circles with this all night mate ! Lol lol Fair play, that's your view and I have mine 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 i know what your saying paulus,but tbh my take on that is,if you have kids regardless of whether there wee angels,or pure little b*****ds then imo your stuck with them.if you werent up for being a parent then you no business having any kids. schools and social workers bare some responsibility. telling kids they can get thier parents prosecuted if they lift a hand to them.some kids need a good hiding lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 another fact, google it one in four females in sweden is likely to be raped with muslims responsible for 77% i googled it for your http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/1-in-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-as-sexual-assaults-increase-500/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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