hutch6 550 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Hi all, i herd giving raw meat to your dog is benificial and can even trigger your dogs natural hunting instinct... how much of this is true if at-all and would it be suitable for a lurcherxlurcher pup of 5 months old ? If Yes... how frequently and how much shud i give him? and... which is best red/white meat? A natural instinct is just that, something that the animal is inclined to do. Association is can be argued to enhance that instinct. I got into this lark through rescueing a sight hound mix. I took her out and put her in front of some rabbits and yes, she gave chase. On a few occasions I thought she could have taken a couple but didn't really know what to do. I fed her some skinned rabbit, then some half rabbits with fur on and then some whole rabbits. Took her out again and she nailed the first rabbit she got in striking range of. Was that transition made because of what I fed her? Maybe. Perhaps if she'd been put in front of rabbits a few more times she would have made that leap herself. You could argue that it has nothing to do with it and your could argue it does. I won't be feeding her chunks of beef with the skin etc on it just in case Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOM HEAVY 140 Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 lol, good shout hutch!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bunnys 1,228 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 so a chicken carcus as a treat once a dat would be ok for a 5 month pup? fill it with tripe or lamb more than a treat then good wholesome diet . atb bunnys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Young Terrier Jack 0 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Mine don't get much cooked meat ( cooked liver as training rewards etc ) but I know that it's not a good idea to mix raw meat and dried food in the same meal. I know people who give both, but not in the same meal. why is it nota good idea Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,729 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Mine don't get much cooked meat ( cooked liver as training rewards etc ) but I know that it's not a good idea to mix raw meat and dried food in the same meal. I know people who give both, but not in the same meal. why is it nota good idea ive been mixing raw flesh and dried food for years no ill efects whatsoever 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaraCroft 863 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Mine don't get much cooked meat ( cooked liver as training rewards etc ) but I know that it's not a good idea to mix raw meat and dried food in the same meal. I know people who give both, but not in the same meal. why is it nota good idea It's to do with the time it takes to digest and process - as in all things, some dogs will have no ill effects at all, some will be unlucky. I had a ridgeback who could eat maggoty rotten rubbish and it wouldn't even make him fart - one of my lurchers will shit through the eye of a needle for a week if his dinner gets changed at all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sirius 1,391 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Mine don't get much cooked meat ( cooked liver as training rewards etc ) but I know that it's not a good idea to mix raw meat and dried food in the same meal. I know people who give both, but not in the same meal. why is it nota good ideaIt's to do with the time it takes to digest and process - as in all things, some dogs will have no ill effects at all, some will be unlucky. I had a ridgeback who could eat maggoty rotten rubbish and it wouldn't even make him fart - one of my lurchers will shit through the eye of a needle for a week if his dinner gets changed at all. Also in deep chested breeds you can increase the chances of gastric torsion/bloat. I would always feed at seperate feed times to be on the safe side if I was to feed both wet and dry. Each to there own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Young Terrier Jack 0 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 I feed mine some dry and raw at same time. . If I was to feed say dry first how long would I have to wait before I could fed raw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Country Joe 1,411 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 My Whippet has always been fed raw, from weaning, recently ive been adding a handfull of Gain 20% mixed with the meat, been watching for the runs, but no sign, stools are spot on. and dog looks good. You can get hung up on dog feeding, like myself but as Skycat and others have said, Dogs are great adaptors, so as long as he is doing okay, I will keep to this regime, and wouldnt bother feeding the Gain 20% and meat separate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Dogs digestion, much as ours, is more than capable of digesting different ingredients at the same time. Its all broken down and passes through as the correct stage is reached, ie fatty raw meat chunks will remain in the stomach longer as they are slower to breakdown, the dried will quickly be broken down into small particles ready for the next stage of digestion as it becomes soft quickly. Think about when a person eats a big mac, digestion copes well with both meat, fat cereals (bun) and a bit of wilted lettuce without any trouble. The stomach produces the right enzymes etc to digest what it eats at each meal. To many urban myths about dogs digestion especially around completes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lee 99 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 The stomach produces the right enzymes etc to digest what it eats at each meal. To many urban myths about dogs digestion especially around completes.. Don't agree with a lot of your rambling on ,, but your spot on here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redcharge 378 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 so a chicken carcus as a treat once a dat would be ok for a 5 month pup? I wouldn't feed a dog any chicken carcus because I had a terrier that robbed a carcus out of my bin and got a little bone stuck in the back of it throat and tongue. I lost her because her tongue became swollen and she suffocated, not good. Cheers. Ive been feeding raw chicken carcasses for years and never had any problems? had the one your bitch stole been cooked? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beast 1,884 Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 the only time i've seen problems with raw bones has been with really greedy dogs, which sometimes try to swallow them whole or sometimes try to chew up really big hard bones and end up with broken teeth. i always start them on bones when they are little puppies so they learn from the start to eat them sensibly 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOLIO1 1,078 Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Who among us hasn't eaten a typical dinner? Meat (high in protein and mostly digested in the hydrochloric acid environment of the stomach, plus fat which is mainly absorbed in the small intestine), potatoes or pasta ( carbohydrate, best converted from starch to sugar in the alkaline environment of the mouth by the enzyme ptyalin....spelling?....) To follow the logic that Kibble and raw shouldn't be fed together on the basis that they are digested at different rates, we should be splitting our dinner into several meals every day. Spuds for breakfast, veg for lunch, meat for dinner. What happens if you fancy an orange? Taboo because you've just eaten a steak? Actually the vitamin C in the orange enhances the uptake of iron from the steak! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaraCroft 863 Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Who among us hasn't eaten a typical dinner? Meat (high in protein and mostly digested in the hydrochloric acid environment of the stomach, plus fat which is mainly absorbed in the small intestine), potatoes or pasta ( carbohydrate, best converted from starch to sugar in the alkaline environment of the mouth by the enzyme ptyalin....spelling?....) To follow the logic that Kibble and raw shouldn't be fed together on the basis that they are digested at different rates, we should be splitting our dinner into several meals every day. Spuds for breakfast, veg for lunch, meat for dinner. What happens if you fancy an orange? Taboo because you've just eaten a steak? Actually the vitamin C in the orange enhances the uptake of iron from the steak! I asked the guy who had advised me not to feed raw and dry at the same time - his answer was... ( and I am not a nutritionist, so bear with the explanation ) Carnivores are designed to eat flesh in the main, sometimes stomach contents, but rarely carbohydrate. Omnivores are designed to eat protein, fat and carbs in various proportions. Kibble contains a lot of carbs, which when broken down by the stomach acid and enzymes, will produce chemicals that alter the pH of intestine Carnivore digestive enzymes work best in a narrow pH range, and if it is altered, they are not as effective - so the animal won't get the best out of the meal. Omnivore digestive enzymes are used to the wider range, so cope fine. I am not saying it is right or wrong, just something I had been told, that makes sense. I doubt dogs would still exist as a species, if mixing and matching kibble and raw at the same time was likely to cause huge problems, but if I am spending money on decent food for my dogs, I like to know they are getting the benefit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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