Alternative To Jill Jabs

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

I've been offered 2 jills from a woman who feels she can no longer look after them. but i rang vets for quotes to take them out of season and its £42 for jill jab and £110 for my hob being vasectomised so no way thats happening. anyway looking for alternatives and came across these capsule that are used for immune boosting but totally safe for mammal use. but its also a powerfull contraceptive that stops fertility and the cycle for 5 weeks so thinking reduce the dosage for ferret safe amounts and either wait to see if it takes the jill out of season itself or if there infertile breed them with my intact hob and see if they get pregnant. think i will pay for one with the jab and try this method on the other as im wiling to raise some kits if neccesary. who knows might find a new cheap method for taking jills out of season. any thoughts? if it doesnt work then i will have to search for a vasectomised hob

link for capsules https://mekuti.co.uk/neem.htm#Caps

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

after researching case studies on neem product being used as contraceptives it stated that when used on rats the product was 100% effective against pregnancies. also when used in males in kills the sperm for 6 weeks. i really do think this could work

[ferret100 47]

Can you put up these case studies? Important notes would be evidence of toxidity relating to brain dysfunction, effect on the Thyroid gland, return to normal reproductive function etc. Personally, I'd steer clear, has potential for absolute disaster. Atb.

[nothernlite 18,089]

vets at it £12 for jill jab at my vets

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

i know that jabs can be cheaper at other vets so when they told me that price i nearly died. anyway the case studies say that they used oil inside the vagina on rats as that killed the sperm and the males were given it orally just type in neem for contraceptive in pets and you can see the research. but on the website given it states not to be used when pregnant as from research i know it causes induced misscarages. regarding health issues i cannot find anything harmful when given to mammals except when it was given to rabbits in human dosages. so i think im going to try it on both hob and jill obviously at reduced dosages when in season and a little after mating. also its totally reversible after 6 weeks sperm production is as normal. so really i have nothing to lose i know that its totaly safe and even if a jill does produce kits i wont mind i have the time and space for them so will not be rushed to sell them to idiots or abbandon them. i am gonna have one of the jill jabbed so i will deffinetly not end up with kits from the both of them

[ferretfatcamp 21]

hi i charge £5 per jill to put with my vascectomised hob all money goes to rescued ferrets i am in sheffield

[ferret100 47]

Sorry, but really don't agree with using this plant as a DIY effort to save some money. Its a traditional herbal remedy used in developing countries and has also been trialled in small studies in rodents, other research is inconclusive.

 

Not anywhere near sufficient enough data to start experimenting on your ferrets.

 

In humans it can can auto-immune complications, liver and kidney failure, respiratory complications, brain swelling and dysfunction, thyroid issues and can be fatal, even in capsule form.

 

In rat experimentation, a compound has been injected in to uterine horn offering no substance whatsoever to using this in capsule form for the same function in a different species. The oil version is ultimately inconculsive as to whether it is a male contraceptive, given that this is the only form showing effect on sperm, it is a grey area . No evidence is given for damage done during testing, whether temporary or permenant.

 

All in all, there is not the appropriate form, dosage and knowledge to use this in ferrets as a means of contraceptive. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but really believe you could kill your ferts if you try using this yourself. Atb.

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

jills not in season yet but deffinetly keep your offer in mind especially with the jill i was going to get jabbed

really wouldnt be taking in these jills unless i really had too but to be honest the cage was in a right state. ive already taken the hob she had as i wouldnt have to take him out of season and mess about. anyway im gonna go along with the neem as there are no extreme cases of damage unless dosage was massive and that was in rabbits. besides the capsules will only be taken for 2-3 weeks not all the time if i doesnt reduce fertility it will still cause induced miscariage so im going to go ahead with it and report back after the jills have came into season and mated

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

also in these studies on humans the neem was taken all the time. remember women can get pregnant every month wheras ferrets are only once or twice a year, so ive nothing to lose as it has been proven safe for mammals and i cant see how something herbal will cause damage when taken in appropriate doses for only 3 weeks max. and if it doesnt work i have a plan b now ferretfatcamp has offered me his service

[Mochastorm 68]

I personally use a vasectomised hob, but my vet mentioned in passing how the cost of the 'jill jab' had increased. This was because once the bottle/vial had been used it could not be stored. Hence the full cost falls to the customer. If this is the case, and I've no reason to disbelieve her, you would need to take a box bursting with jills to keep the cost down. I've noticed that you own a couple of hobs. If you shopped around a number of vets you should get a better price, and you would save in the long term. Best of luck whatever you choose.

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

i shopped around today in search of vets and the only vets that offers a vasectomy is the one asking the ridiculous price. vet told me the same regarding jabs as the jabs come in 100ml injections and jills only use a fraction of that. youd think the company that produces the jab would offer a smaller quantity of the jab so the price will fall for the customers.

[leegreen 2,173]

Feed you Jill's a good quality flesh diet, birds, rabbits etc. I have never had a problem with Jill's in over 30 years.

 

What are you concerned about?

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

not a problem with the jills mate just taking them out of season. by never having a problem with your jills do you mean not having to take them out of season of health wise?

[leegreen 2,173]

I mean I've never had a problem with my Jill's being in or out of season.

 

Jill's in season bleed, when they bleed for a long time they start to suffer from "anaemia" and come out of season. Once the blood levels build up, the Jill comes back in season and this will be the cycle. If this continues to happen with an inadequate diet your Jill could die. If you feed quality food such as whole animals you won't suffer from these symptoms.

 

I once asked a vet about death in female ferrets while in season and why I had never suffered. He said because of the diet your feeding and gave me the above information.

And just to add, in all that time I have bred 6 litters, just to get replacement ferrets.

 

Hope this helps

 

Please anyone, feel free to correct me.

[Mochastorm 68]

I don't see how a good diet has any significant effect on the hormone levels of a jill in a prolonged heat. I agree that it is not detrimental to all jills to not be brought out of season, and I have experience of both. Last year I lost a vasectomised hob part of the way through the summer. One of my jills remained in season through until November while the others came out a lot earlier. She has lost that much condition I have not worked her at all this winter. In my opinion it is much better to bring them out of season.