Trying To Explain To Non Hunters That All Hunters Aren't Horrible Bloodthirsty Killers!

[paulus 26]

my neighbours find it hard to understand how i can take photo`s of wildlife one week and hunt it the next , its not about killing or living. its the ability to appreciate that both have a place in nature, infact its natures mix of horror and beauty that makes it so fascinating.

 

Gun or camera, you'll make a mess of them either way.

my neighbours find it hard to understand how i can take photo`s of wildlife one week and hunt it the next , its not about killing or living. its the ability to appreciate that both have a place in nature, infact its natures mix of horror and beauty that makes it so fascinating.

 

Gun or camera, you'll make a mess of them either way.

na the camera deffinatly does more damage

thank god ive got the lurchers to fall back on

[skycat 6,174]

 

 

True hunters are bound by a sense of fair play, they know when they have cheated an animal to it's death and take no pleasure in that. It's a sense of being part of the natural world, not just using it to get kicks.

 

That is it in a nutshell, though this is precisely the attitude that non hunters fail to understand or appreciate. I remember reading an article somewhere, some time, which said that everyone is a hunter in one way or another: from the bloke determined to get the best job to the little old lady elbowing another old lady aside to get at the best things in a jumble sale.

 

For me, that argument falls down a bit, as those examples more illustrate survival or greed, which is not the desire or need to find some animal on its home ground.

 

I suppose, in one way, I can better identify with air gunners, who need to get much nearer their target than someone out with a high powered rifle who can kill something hundreds of yards away, or shotguns which lower the odds considerably, even though they do leave far more things wounded than a rifle.

[paulus 26]

a high powered rifle who can kill something hundreds of yards away, or shotguns which lower the odds considerably

 

 

i wish :laugh:

[walshie 2,804]

There's a time and a place for everything. Seeing Mr Reynard out in the country on his way home in the early morning conjures up thoughts of my younger years and is all part of the countryside. Seeing a similar fox taking a dump in my garden makes me feel completely different.

[stewie 3,387]

Shooters always know best: NOT! For some reason I can never understand, they feel superior to 'proper' hunters, those who don't need to blow bullets out of a bit of metal. Maybe the whole gun thing is hiding behind a lethal weapon they have total control over: supposedly. Most shooters I know couldn't train a dog to crap!

lab-tastic????.........

[bird 10,013]

Shooters always know best: NOT! For some reason I can never understand, they feel superior to 'proper' hunters, those who don't need to blow bullets out of a bit of metal. Maybe the whole gun thing is hiding behind a lethal weapon they have total control over: supposedly. Most shooters I know couldn't train a dog to crap!

 

well another way to look at it, any form of hunting (with) animals+ birds , to kill (other) animals birds will never as (effcient) as bullet fact . It dont matter what we say a good marksman will kill quarry quicker, and bullet put in the right place end of .. As ive done both guns+ dogs and seen birds of prey,ferreting, all forms of hunting , all that i like doing. But you just carnt compete against a gun with a animal . Iwas talking to 1 of my brothers about hunting, and eats meat and couldnt give a feck about hunting never as , but he said you hunt with dogs ,because you like to see your dog work, and you know that, and its prob the same for a shooter they like use there guns. But he said regards the killing game, guns were made to improve the killing of quarry, and your going back hundreds of years with dogs+ birds+ ferrets, he said( man) should go forward in the future, not stay still .?? Well i did find it quite hard to argue that fact, we hunt because we like it, and( if) it was( cruel) or not would it really stop you . :yes:

[Malt 379]

I think as hunters we have a clearer acceptance that death is an inevitable part of the life cycle. This coupled with a more innate understanding about the way the countryside works and the need to control certain species gives us greater understanding and respect for the wildlife around us.. I had a discussion with a neighbour a few years back who laughed in my face when I said I liked animals and said I couldn't be an animal lover because I killed rabbits.. I then pointed to several birds about the garden we were sitting in and asked her what their names were.. 'Seagull' and 'crow' were the only two she managed to partially identify on the roofs around us and she was lost for words when I pointed out that what she was in fact seeing was two species of seagull - herring gull and lesser black backed gull, and two species of crow - carrion crows and jackdaws. She then correctly identified a blackbird when I pointed at it, (it was male..) then failed to identify a female blackbird when I pointed at that...

[baw 4,360]

Shooters always know best: NOT! For some reason I can never understand, they feel superior to 'proper' hunters, those who don't need to blow bullets out of a bit of metal. Maybe the whole gun thing is hiding behind a lethal weapon they have total control over: supposedly. Most shooters I know couldn't train a dog to crap!

 

well another way to look at it, any form of hunting (with) animals+ birds , to kill (other) animals birds will never as (effcient) as bullet fact . It dont matter what we say a good marksman will kill quarry quicker, and bullet put in the right place end of .. As ive done both guns+ dogs and seen birds of prey,ferreting, all forms of hunting , all that i like doing. But you just carnt compete against a gun with a animal . Iwas talking to 1 of my brothers about hunting, and eats meat and couldnt give a feck about hunting never as , but he said you hunt with dogs ,because you like to see your dog work, and you know that, and its prob the same for a shooter they like use there guns. But he said regards the killing game, guns were made to improve the killing of quarry, and your going back hundreds of years with dogs+ birds+ ferrets, he said( man) should go forward in the future, not stay still .?? Well i did find it quite hard to argue that fact, we hunt because we like it, and( if) it was( cruel) or not would it really stop you . :yes:

 

They all have there place though. You'll get more rabbits ferreting with a gun than you will just a gun. Same with dogs. It's not a natural or pure way of hunting though. I use airrifle, I like all forms of hunting and yes you are correct, I prefer the chase. If its numbers your after, why not just gas?

[stewie 3,387]

Shooters always know best: NOT! For some reason I can never understand, they feel superior to 'proper' hunters, those who don't need to blow bullets out of a bit of metal. Maybe the whole gun thing is hiding behind a lethal weapon they have total control over: supposedly. Most shooters I know couldn't train a dog to crap!

 

well another way to look at it, any form of hunting (with) animals+ birds , to kill (other) animals birds will never as (effcient) as bullet fact . It dont matter what we say a good marksman will kill quarry quicker, and bullet put in the right place end of .. As ive done both guns+ dogs and seen birds of prey,ferreting, all forms of hunting , all that i like doing. But you just carnt compete against a gun with a animal . Iwas talking to 1 of my brothers about hunting, and eats meat and couldnt give a feck about hunting never as , but he said you hunt with dogs ,because you like to see your dog work, and you know that, and its prob the same for a shooter they like use there guns. But he said regards the killing game, guns were made to improve the killing of quarry, and your going back hundreds of years with dogs+ birds+ ferrets, he said( man) should go forward in the future, not stay still .?? Well i did find it quite hard to argue that fact, we hunt because we like it, and( if) it was( cruel) or not would it really stop you . :yes:

 

They all have there place though. You'll get more rabbits ferreting with a gun than you will just a gun. Same with dogs. It's not a natural or pure way of hunting though. I use airrifle, I like all forms of hunting and yes you are correct, I prefer the chase. If its numbers your after, why not just gas?

cause thats not hunting at all you donkey lol lol

[RubyTex 1,957]

I used to volunteer at an animal rescue place and they were all animal lovers. I am too but i hunt. Now when i started there it was great then i started doing rescues for them ....mainly dogs. When someone from the centre saw my FB page with pictures of my hunting trips all hell broke loose. I was called all sorts and trying to explain the difference between hunting and animal cruelty is near on impossible.

 

I stopped voluteering for them.

 

Same thing happened to me. Used to volunteer at an animal sanctuary, the people running it were sound at first then some woman with a penchant for cats decided she would come and volunteer...i showed her round the place and mentioned in passing about the problem with a fox and that i'd 'shoot it if i had the chance'...anyway next day she was straight in the owners ear about me then a couple of weeks later the fox struck again "oh it's only natural" aye natural that 20 chickens are lying headless and not even eaten anyway eventually they decided to all become veggies and i knew my time there was coming to an end, after all the hard work i'd put in ever since the "i'd shoot it if i had the chance" comment (despite the owners knowing i shot!!) seemed to make them despise me and all because of this crazy cat lady new volunteer. Complete arse. Despite numerous attempts to explain, she couldn't get it through her thick skull how i could look after animals with one hand and shoot them with another. Most antis don't realise how good we are for the countryside, but hey why let facts get in the way of bullshit eh??

 

The scrounging twats were quick to ask me for help in fundraising for a new building though last year, you can guess what my answer was

[lanesra 4,005]

Hunting and Shooting are completely different .,. When you finish your day hunting you have to bed down and feed your Dogs/ferrets/birds oh and do the same the next day as well as exercise if not working them and the next day ect ect . . Shooting you throw your gun back in the safe till the next time so when talking to those who shoot only , they haven't the right to lecture about animal welfare to a working dog owner !

Edited January 23, 2013 by lanesra

[Malt 379]

Hunting and Shooting are completely different .,. When you finish your day hunting you have to bed down and feed your Dogs/ferrets/birds oh and do the same the next day as well as exercise if not working them and the next day ect ect . . Shooting you throw your gun back in the safe till the next time so when talking to those who shoot only , they haven't the right to lecture about animal welfare to a working dog owner !

A large percentage of shooters use dogs mate...

[Malt 379]

...and anyway, when did this become a dogs vs guns thread? It's supposed be be about non hunting folks perceptions about hunters not liking animals, is it not?

[PIL 7]

Hunting and Shooting are completely different .,. When you finish your day hunting you have to bed down and feed your Dogs/ferrets/birds oh and do the same the next day as well as exercise if not working them and the next day ect ect . . Shooting you throw your gun back in the safe till the next time so when talking to those who shoot only , they haven't the right to lecture about animal welfare to a working dog owner !

I'll hold my tongue

...and anyway, when did this become a dogs vs guns thread? It's supposed be be about non hunting folks perceptions about hunters not liking animals, is it not?

well said malt

[lanesra 4,005]

Hunting and Shooting are completely different .,. When you finish your day hunting you have to bed down and feed your Dogs/ferrets/birds oh and do the same the next day as well as exercise if not working them and the next day ect ect . . Shooting you throw your gun back in the safe till the next time so when talking to those who shoot only , they haven't the right to lecture about animal welfare to a working dog owner !

A large percentage of shooters use dogs mate...

Thats right malt , though the 1s I've had tell me shooting is more Humane compared to dog work are the type who pay to shoot Dont own a dog and its a past time for them . . . Those who work Gun dogs and put the time and effort in with there dogs Ive found love a run out with runners , terriers and/or Ferrets and appreciate this type off dog work for what it is . . And as someone has said some off the best Naturalists are hunting people !