Trying To Explain To Non Hunters That All Hunters Aren't Horrible Bloodthirsty Killers!

[lanesra 3,994]

Hunting and Shooting are completely different .,. When you finish your day hunting you have to bed down and feed your Dogs/ferrets/birds oh and do the same the next day as well as exercise if not working them and the next day ect ect . . Shooting you throw your gun back in the safe till the next time so when talking to those who shoot only , they haven't the right to lecture about animal welfare to a working dog owner !

I'll hold my tongue

...and anyway, when did this become a dogs vs guns thread? It's supposed be be about non hunting folks perceptions about hunters not liking animals, is it not?

well said malt

Pil don't hold your tongue if you shoot only and think I'm wrong say it and give me your reason . . Anyone who shoots only (and I mean not owning a dog) too me these type off people yes have a place in the countryside but Certanily aren't in the same league when it comes to knowing about animal welfare and treating people with dogs as below them shows them for what they usually are .

[skycat 6,174]

I'm sorry if I implied that shooting was not hunting: this wasn't supposed to degenerate into a dog versus gun thread. Funnily enough, the not very good dog men who are shooters, that I personally know, are very good shots, and don't just bang away in the hope of hitting something. They also spend ages tracking down runners with the beaters' dogs to try and make sure nothing gets away wounded. This is on a little shoot I beat on from time to time. Just as with everything else, you get good and bad in all walks of life, whether they be gun men or dog men.

 

To me though, the rough shooter or stalker who stalks, waits, hides, sneaks up on his or her prey, will always impress me more than someone who just stands on a peg and shoots at stuff other people and dogs have put up. You can hunt properly with a gun, I just prefer not to as I like watching dogs hunt better.

[Malt 379]

To me though, the rough shooter or stalker who stalks, waits, hides, sneaks up on his or her prey, will always impress me more than someone who just stands on a peg and shoots at stuff other people and dogs have put up. You can hunt properly with a gun, I just prefer not to as I like watching dogs hunt better.

 

Its the generalisation - we don't like it when we are all portrayed as the type of people who drive over planted crops without permission, leave gates open, etc, its the same with people who shoot. They ain't all the toff type, weekend shooters who turn up, stand at a peg blasting away then feck off home afterwards.. Having grown up around working springer spaniels and rough shooting, I have seen the dedication needed to train a gun dog to a decent standard. I also have two neighbours who are shooters. One has a kennel full of springers and a cocker, a Harris hawk and ferrets, and the other has a springer spaniel and a lurcher in his kennel.

[PIL 7]

Hunting and Shooting are completely different .,. When you finish your day hunting you have to bed down and feed your Dogs/ferrets/birds oh and do the same the next day as well as exercise if not working them and the next day ect ect . . Shooting you throw your gun back in the safe till the next time so when talking to those who shoot only , they haven't the right to lecture about animal welfare to a working dog owner !

I'll hold my tongue

...and anyway, when did this become a dogs vs guns thread? It's supposed be be about non hunting folks perceptions about hunters not liking animals, is it not?

well said malt

Pil don't hold your tongue if you shoot only and think I'm wrong say it and give me your reason . . Anyone who shoots only (and I mean not owning a dog) too me these type off people yes have a place in the countryside but Certanily aren't in the same league when it comes to knowing about animal welfare and treating people with dogs as below them shows them for what they usually are .

not on this thread , as I did not see it as a dog v gun thread

[mushroom 13,325]

What I've found is if there is "intelligence" there it is not that hard to explain and be understood.

 

When I moved here I was living with a vegetarian really nice guy and very intelligent, wasn't really keen on hunting but you wouldn't really call him an full anti. I explained why I hunt with a dog etc and he seemed to get it.

 

Anyway one day we were in the mountains and came across an obviously sick rabbit it was just sat there eyes really bloodshot, but not bulging or abcessed like Mitzy I knew instantly what the proper thing to do was and reacted acordingly, this was the first time Adrien had seen anything die and he was visably discomforted by it, you could see the cogs going round i his head and he was very quiet for a few minutes.

 

After a while he turned to me and said "I get it now" he could see that a hunter had the mind to do what is necessary at that moment with no cruelty or bloodlust involved. He even announced that he believed dogs were a more acceptable way to hunt for him as it was predator against prey ( no offence intended to the gun lads) not all people are antis some just lack to reasoning ability to associate death with food thanks so society and over emotional soap dodgers.

Edited January 23, 2013 by mushroom

[stewie 3,387]

What I've found is if there is "intelligence" there it is not that hard to explain and be understood.

 

When I moved here I was living with a vegetarian really nice guy and very intelligent, wasn't really keen on hunting but you wouldn't really call him an full anti. I explained why I hunt with a dog etc and he seemed to get it.

 

Anyway one day we were in the mountains and came across an obviously sick rabbit it was just sat there eyes really bloodshot, but not bulging or abcessed like Mitzy I knew instantly what the proper thing to do was and reacted acordingly, this was the first time Adrien had seen anything die and he was visably discomforted by it, you could see the cogs going round i his head and he was very quiet for a few minutes.

 

After a while he turned to me and said "I get it now" he could see that a hunter had the mind to do what is necessary at that moment with no cruelty or bloodlust involved. He even announced that he believed dogs were a more acceptable way to hunt for him as it was predator against prey ( no offence intended to the gun lads) not all people are antis some just lack to reasoning ability to associate death with food thanks so society and over emotional soap dodgers.

maybe it was stoned lol lol

[mushroom 13,325]

What I've found is if there is "intelligence" there it is not that hard to explain and be understood.

 

When I moved here I was living with a vegetarian really nice guy and very intelligent, wasn't really keen on hunting but you wouldn't really call him an full anti. I explained why I hunt with a dog etc and he seemed to get it.

 

Anyway one day we were in the mountains and came across an obviously sick rabbit it was just sat there eyes really bloodshot, but not bulging or abcessed like Mitzy I knew instantly what the proper thing to do was and reacted acordingly, this was the first time Adrien had seen anything die and he was visably discomforted by it, you could see the cogs going round i his head and he was very quiet for a few minutes.

 

After a while he turned to me and said "I get it now" he could see that a hunter had the mind to do what is necessary at that moment with no cruelty or bloodlust involved. He even announced that he believed dogs were a more acceptable way to hunt for him as it was predator against prey ( no offence intended to the gun lads) not all people are antis some just lack to reasoning ability to associate death with food thanks so society and over emotional soap dodgers.

maybe it was stoned lol lol

 

More like Meth from the look of it

[skycat 6,174]

Another thing: most of the public I've met and talked to don't have a problem with controlling pests like rabbits, but they come over all Disney and anthropomorphic when it comes to larger animals like foxes and deer. Deer I can understand to a certain extent because they are beautiful, graceful, large eyed and most importantly they are prey animals: large, soft eyes tend to make people imbue an animal with human emotions: and most people don't see deer as causing a problem.

 

I think foxes also have the public on their side in many cases because of the historical connotations of a poor little fox being pursued by a pack of ravening hounds. The modern media don't help either when they show footage of foxes in gardens playing etc. And when you accept that the vast majority of the population today have little contact with animals as pests because they are urban dwellers, well, it's understandable.

[paulus 26]

I'm sorry if I implied that shooting was not hunting: this wasn't supposed to degenerate into a dog versus gun thread. Funnily enough, the not very good dog men who are shooters, that I personally know, are very good shots, and don't just bang away in the hope of hitting something. They also spend ages tracking down runners with the beaters' dogs to try and make sure nothing gets away wounded. This is on a little shoot I beat on from time to time. Just as with everything else, you get good and bad in all walks of life, whether they be gun men or dog men.

 

To me though, the rough shooter or stalker who stalks, waits, hides, sneaks up on his or her prey, will always impress me more than someone who just stands on a peg and shoots at stuff other people and dogs have put up. You can hunt properly with a gun, I just prefer not to as I like watching dogs hunt better.

i like nothing more than watching a good lurcher work, but lurchers have a lot more in them than just finding and chasing, as ive said times before i use mine when rough shooting/pigeon shooting and even duck shooting. and yes there not to bad on the lamp either

[Wullz 408]

Good job its only 'us' that view these threads, if anyone else read this they may get the impression that there are divisions between the branches of fieldsports and that sometimes there is even dis-harmony.......imagine!!

 

Remember lads, divide and conker.......

 

We are all in this together.......

[forest of dean redneck 11,777]

Good job its only 'us' that view these threads, if anyone else read this they may get the impression that there are divisions between the branches of fieldsports and that sometimes there is even dis-harmony.......imagine!!

 

Remember lads, divide and conker.......

 

We are all in this together.......

never happen its like hyenas on a kill,

only got to look at the bitching on here, if ebays the biggest carboot sale, thl is the biggest country show beer tent.

[woz 260]

For me its being a small part of managing the country side....it wouldnt look as it does if it wasn't carefully managed....I have no interest in killing everything that breaths....just to keep the numbers manageable...

[paulus 26]

For me its being a small part of managing the country side....it wouldnt look as it does if it wasn't carefully managed....I have no interest in killing everything that breaths....just to keep the numbers manageable...

Thats what most fail to understand, if it wasnt for management then the countryside that they love, would look very different.

[Born Hunter 17,832]

Good job its only 'us' that view these threads, if anyone else read this they may get the impression that there are divisions between the branches of fieldsports and that sometimes there is even dis-harmony.......imagine!!

 

Remember lads, divide and conker.......

 

We are all in this together.......

 

I wish we were! Fact is, we aint! Any number of 'sportsman' would throw another to the wolves to save their own skins. That saddens me because I enjoy a fairly broad number of fieldsports.

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

To me though, the rough shooter or stalker who stalks, waits, hides, sneaks up on his or her prey, will always impress me more than someone who just stands on a peg and shoots at stuff other people and dogs have put up. You can hunt properly with a gun, I just prefer not to as I like watching dogs hunt better.

 

I totally agree. I had my day driven shooting but it just wasn't really for me, there was no walking, nothing to learn just banging away at the birds as they come over. Sure high or fast birds can be challenging but I'm more in to a day out and a couple of birds at the end of the day is enough as I like to cook what I shoot. The best shooting I have had so far is rough and walked up with dogs and the harder we work for our shots the more satisfied I am at the end of the day.

 

It makes me want a spaniel even more as well