Pup Growling

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

i found a pup recently pretty much starving on the road recently.it was very possesive of food,as anyone would be in its situation,i also used the method of taking the food away and putting it back(it was fairly reluctent)but it has worked.

 

I can see how this could work, but i also think there are circumstances when this wouldnt work and the hand feeding, or adding food to the bowl would be a better option.

 

If someone kept walking up to me and taking my plate away i would smack them in the mouth. If they kept coming up to me and putting extra food on my plate then i would be glad to see there hand coming towards me.

 

Just a bit of food for thought. Excuse the pun

[whippet 99 2,613]

keep hand feeding puppies dont do them no favours ....................put food in there bowl and there still looking for your hand ................

if there hungary enough they will have too lol........................

if a dog is growling and getting very possesive i soon put them in there place......................if your not firm they will walk all over you ...............as for working if a dog is disiplined and dont work its not worth keeping ................and im not hitting a dog but im not ashamed of giving them a dap on the nose and getting in there space and showing them whos boss..............direct to the point works best for me ...............and me dogs do all i say and are very obediant....................put it right early...........

those salukis are some stubborn fookers..............and need to be put in place............

a lad i know had a pup and when you went any where near it ,................it would growl ,.no food ...........no toys ,...........just growling when your in its zone..............im not sure why ..................but i mean what the feck can you do to a pup like that ,....................you had to earn its trust and slowly it was getting better by going in its zone and being firm when there was a growl..........hitting dogs is a big no no ........to any dog ............but a tap on the nose wont hurt nothing .........

[mooney1 120]

Thanks for all the replys lads I am trying hand feeding for a while see how it goes.

[Josh Fitzpatrick 0]

Try hand feeding, alright if your feeding dry food, and if the dog is playing with something put your hand on it and off.

[littlefish 585]

keep hand feeding puppies dont do them no favours ....................put food in there bowl and there still looking for your hand ................

if there hungary enough they will have too lol........................

if a dog is growling and getting very possesive i soon put them in there place......................if your not firm they will walk all over you ...............as for working if a dog is disiplined and dont work its not worth keeping ................and im not hitting a dog but im not ashamed of giving them a dap on the nose and getting in there space and showing them whos boss..............direct to the point works best for me ...............and me dogs do all i say and are very obediant....................put it right early...........

those salukis are some stubborn fookers..............and need to be put in place............

a lad i know had a pup and when you went any where near it ,................it would growl ,.no food ...........no toys ,...........just growling when your in its zone..............im not sure why ..................but i mean what the feck can you do to a pup like that ,....................you had to earn its trust and slowly it was getting better by going in its zone and being firm when there was a growl..........hitting dogs is a big no no ........to any dog ............but a tap on the nose wont hurt nothing .........

 

I get what you are saying about it not being acceptable for a dog to call the shots.............however, as I see it, any sort of punishment involving your hand (even a tap on the nose) can lead to a dog being fearful of your hand and this in itself could lead to it striking out at you in fear if it thinks the heavy hand of doom is approaching........you need to bear in mind it may not only be you it strikes out at if it is fearful of hands............it could be anyone, leading to grief for you and your dog.

 

I always get my dogs into a routine of being fed in peace the same place, with the dog sitting and waiting until it has been given permission to eat from the bowl. If it does not get it right, the bowl gets lifted until it does sit calmly.

[Lab 10,979]

So let me get this right. You can't give it a quick clip round the lug if it growls at you. You have to sit and hand feed the thing. If you do give it a clip then it will be in fear of your hand and will bite you if you put your hand near it?? Be the last f*****g bite it had then.

Beginning to see why Baw has a disliking to them.... Lol

[Casso 1,261]

there seems to be a general fear that if a pup isn't put in its place and knows who's boss then its not going to respond or listen to its owner, its a common misunderstanding of the canine make-up,

 

every pup is born social, where that goes wrong is down to the owner and lack of understanding not the dog, if you can learn from how the dog develops from food orientation as a pup to sexual maturity and the drive that it brings we can stay in tune with canine behaviour and be the answer to whatever issues crop up not the cause of them,

 

why do we fear the nature of the most social animal on earth, dogs have been working in service to man for hundreds of years now yet there is a fear that we have to put it in its place or it'll run riot in the household , we'll never really come to terms with the dog if we see every behaviour as a threat , a 15 weeks old pup shows fear and we got to knock it off its high horse, f**k me its balls arn't ever dropped yet, talk about tunnel vision,

Edited January 16, 2013 by Casso

[chook1 184]

Don't confront the pup with violence or taking its food away from it. Saluki types are notoriously possessive, and if you react to its growls antagonistically, or by taking its food away, its weird little Saluki brain will think there's even more reason to defend its food against you.

 

Much better to put the empty bowl on the ground in front of the pup, make it sit, then put a tiny bit of food into the bowl. Let it eat that, make it sit again, put a bit more food in, and so on until it has eaten all its food. That way the pup learns that you being near its food is only a good thing, that you are only there to put more food in, not take it away.

 

Sure, you have to teach the pup to respect you and commands, but the motto should be 'softly, softly' with these sort of dogs, especially when you are trying to build a good working bond with the pup. At the moment it simply sees your presence as a threat, and you need to change that attitude round. You can only do that by putting yourself in the pup's place, letting it know that you are a provider, not a taker away.

 

I would do same as skycat but with some added extras, i would sit on the floor at the side of the bowl and drop bits of food in to it,

once the pup is ok with that i would touch the bowl whilst its eating bits of dropped food out of it, then move on to having my hand in the bowl,

all my dogs are used to me stroking them and being around them whilst they are eating.

 

Ive only ever had one dog growl at me whilst eating and that was an adult bitch that was previously ok, with her she was pushing her luck

and trying it on, all's i did was shout get out and made her leave it and get out of the room, never touched her, she never did it again after that.

[matt1979 766]

As already stated hand feeding at that age will give you a good bond with the dog and teaching it exactly where its food comes from (you), not saying you have to do it every meal, but every few days do this and you shouldnt have a problem long term, when the dog clicks who is feeding it. Teaching a good leave and drop command to get the dog to wait until you allow it to eat will help (i use a simple command 'go on then') both my dogs will sit and wait with whatever food is put in front of them until i give this command and will do the same if food drops on the floor. Although one did nick my yorkshire puds i left on the worktop when out recently (but i put that down to being top yorkshires). Cant see how giving a dog a whack at that age over this issue would help, but each to their own. Just to add this advice is from experience, had a dog who would guard bones badly as a pup when i first got her, 2 months later was fine with this strategy. Cheers Matt

[Paid 935]

I'm not teaching my dogs to take food from the hand, i'm more interested in them not taking food from the hand, as the feckers

often mug my kids for what ever food they are carrying around.

 

I'll stick to the removing the bowl from them, until calm, then replacing it.

[whippet 99 2,613]

So let me get this right. You can't give it a quick clip round the lug if it growls at you. You have to sit and hand feed the thing. If you do give it a clip then it will be in fear of your hand and will bite you if you put your hand near it?? Be the last f*****g bite it had then.

Beginning to see why Baw has a disliking to them.... Lol

it does make me laugh ................they would be talking to it with a pup in its mouth or if its on top of a sheep.................................leave it theres a good dog ..........ffs

[mooney1 120]

there seems to be a general fear that if a pup isn't put in its place and knows who's boss then its not going to respond or listen to its owner, its a common misunderstanding of the canine make-up,

 

every pup is born social, where that goes wrong is down to the owner and lack of understanding not the dog, if you can learn from how the dog develops from food orientation as a pup to sexual maturity and the drive that it brings we can stay in tune with canine behaviour and be the answer to whatever issues crop up not the cause of them,

 

why do we fear the nature of the most social animal on earth, dogs have been working in service to man for hundreds of years now yet there is a fear that we have to put it in its place or it'll run riot in the household , we'll never really come to terms with the dog if we see every behaviour as a threat , a 15 weeks old pup shows fear and we got to knock it off its high horse, f**k me its balls arn't ever dropped yet, talk about tunnel vision,

you say its down to the owner ,i can assure you it is not, i have never had this problem before and i have had dogs a long time,i have only had the dog 5 days maybe the breeder did something that caused this. i dont know.

[dpb82uk 138]

all my pups av dun this to me a good slap never dun it agen 2 sal/bull/grays an a sal/wip gray i can take or even put my face right to its bone or food and pertend to shair ther food or bone and all my dogs ok show no sighn of agresson iv seen mates dogs fight over dead rabbits i say leev it and my dog will last thing you need is 2 fast dogs chaceing each other about fighting over a rabbit i all so feed my dogs from same food dish stop any agresson as soon as thay show it and re moov that dog from sittuation not all dogs alike thow

[Lab 10,979]

So let me get this right. You can't give it a quick clip round the lug if it growls at you. You have to sit and hand feed the thing. If you do give it a clip then it will be in fear of your hand and will bite you if you put your hand near it?? Be the last f*****g bite it had then.

Beginning to see why Baw has a disliking to them.... Lol

it does make me laugh ................they would be talking to it with a pup in its mouth or if its on top of a sheep.................................leave it theres a good dog ..........ffs

I dont like to take the piss as there are some very good points made on this thread but i do think the same as you mate....pussy footing about with dogs is not for me and its seems to work ok...however i have and never will have a saluki and it seems they are very different from most working breeds where a boot up the arse usually works fine for a nasty bugger. I do wonder if these forms of training were around 60/70 years ago or did the majority just go with the clip round the lug. And before anyone starts if you cant tell the difference between a telling off and a beating then maybe you shouldn't have dogs....

[skycat 6,173]

There are times when you need to show certain pups who is the leader: I had one Saluki type and she growled at me when she was sitting in my armchair and I went to get her off. I bashed her with a soft cushion until she got off: obviously it didn't hurt her, but she got fed up with being buffeted by it. Never did it again. But the same bitch turned her head at me when I went to brush some mud of her back, at around 4 months of age, she got the back of the brush round her head, just once, but quite hard. After that she was as willing to please and obedient as you could wish for, and always retrieved her hares to hand.

 

I now have a 7 month old Collie'Grey Saluki/Grey: I would never hit her: she is very sensitive, but she too tried the not getting off the sofa when I wanted her to, but never growled, just sat there, so I dragged her off by her scruff. No drama, no shouting, just dragged her off. She gets off quickly now the moment she sees me coming to sit down. Sometimes I'll pat the sofa by the side of me to tell her to get up and she curls up on my lap like a cat, but she has learned to wait until I tell her to get up next to me.

 

All these things have to be learned by pups: and some will try it on more than others, though I've never had a dog growl at me over food or bones: maybe because right from the start they learn that me being with them means food: I often chuck them bits of carrot, cabbage, meat trimmings, bacon rind etc when I'm cooking, and they always get to do a 'pre wash' on dirty oven trays and grill pans. Some people might find that disgusting, but it doesn't half save on washing up time and the side benefit is that the dogs see us eat first and then are given the left overs etc so have to wait for us to finish. It's all part of pack hierarchy, though obviously isn't applicable to kennel dogs!