Springer Power Help

[Wildling 520]

So after rereading this old thread I still belive that my points are valid and still hold up.

[John Stott 202]

Interesting. Leave the low power to paper, at least 11 for quarry, imho.

I stopped using pistols for barn ratting awhile ago, too many crawling off to die in corners, again, my opinion. I use an 11.5 AAS410 in .22 for all close work now, more humane.

BASC guidelines are based on experience and are very sound.

Yes, antis read these forums, they quote them elsewhere wide and far. Do not give them an inch because they will take ten miles.

Being a good ambassador for a sport should be normal behaviour. I and others I know expect that from all.

I guess it is all down to experience in the end, I would not use a spring rifle for pest control, only a regulated PCP at around 11.5. With good optics and sensible use it is lethal and predictable.

Just look at Scotland, do you want that here? Not me.

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

My 11.35 ftlb hw100kt using 5.52mm jsb exact 15.89 gr pellets goes straight through rabbit heads and woodpigeon chests and squirrel heads at 40 yards.. is that TOO MUCH power ...?

For shooting in barns... probably. Farmer wouldnt be happy with holes in the roof even if it did mean less pigeons...

[John Stott 202]

My 11.35 ftlb hw100kt using 5.52mm jsb exact 15.89 gr pellets goes straight through rabbit heads and woodpigeon chests and squirrel heads at 40 yards.. is that TOO MUCH power ...?

For shooting in barns... probably. Farmer wouldnt be happy with holes in the roof even if it did mean less pigeons...

I have a few neat holes in my barn roof.....my son and his HW100, I only shoot when its a brick or steel back stop. These holes are in 1/4 inch corrugated cement fibre sheets, testament to just how powerful an air weapon is. If you ever do a "pork" experiment it will show the penetration at different ranges. Belly is cheap enough, I have had Ogive Defiants at 16gn in this S410 for awhile now. Out to thirty yards they will go right through, above that it is a big nasty wound with penetration up to an inch. Thats what made me use these for all close pest control now, stuff does not really know what hit it.

[Wildling 520]

I seriously believe that the man had a massively overinflated opinion of himself and sometimes used to argue a stupid and lost point just to get the last word in!

 

 

Interesting. Leave the low power to paper, at least 11 for quarry, imho.

I stopped using pistols for barn ratting awhile ago, too many crawling off to die in corners, again, my opinion. I use an 11.5 AAS410 in .22 for all close work now, more humane.

BASC guidelines are based on experience and are very sound.

Yes, antis read these forums, they quote them elsewhere wide and far. Do not give them an inch because they will take ten miles.

Being a good ambassador for a sport should be normal behaviour. I and others I know expect that from all.

I guess it is all down to experience in the end, I would not use a spring rifle for pest control, only a regulated PCP at around 11.5. With good optics and sensible use it is lethal and predictable.

Just look at Scotland, do you want that here? Not me.

 

I've also had quarry like Rats crawling away after using lower powered Air Guns where I've unfortunately missed the Head Shot and the resulting energy transfer to the targets upper body mass wasn't enough to put it down long enough for a follow up finishing shot!

 

Not a nice feeling when you know something's gone off to die a painful death.......

[John Stott 202]

I seriously believe that the man had a massively overinflated opinion of himself and sometimes used to argue a stupid and lost point just to get the last word in!

 

 

Interesting. Leave the low power to paper, at least 11 for quarry, imho.

I stopped using pistols for barn ratting awhile ago, too many crawling off to die in corners, again, my opinion. I use an 11.5 AAS410 in .22 for all close work now, more humane.

BASC guidelines are based on experience and are very sound.

Yes, antis read these forums, they quote them elsewhere wide and far. Do not give them an inch because they will take ten miles.

Being a good ambassador for a sport should be normal behaviour. I and others I know expect that from all.

I guess it is all down to experience in the end, I would not use a spring rifle for pest control, only a regulated PCP at around 11.5. With good optics and sensible use it is lethal and predictable.

Just look at Scotland, do you want that here? Not me.

 

I've also had quarry like Rats crawling away after using lower powered Air Guns where I've unfortunately missed the Head Shot and the resulting energy transfer to the targets upper body mass wasn't enough to put it down long enough for a follow up finishing shot!

 

Not a nice feeling when you know something's gone off to die a painful death.......

 

I agree totally. I am actually switching back to .17hmr for most things now, only using the PCP for work around buildings and inside silos, barns and the like. A couple of bad experiences with first an Ultra, then a Daystate Regal convinced me that over inflated claims are made. Its a pity as I love all rifles, this S410 has never let me down in three years of almost daily use, and it is second hand.

The Daystate sits in its box, nearly £800 worth of grief and, well, lets just say as a firm they suck.

Over inflated egos abound my friend, they do shooting no favours whatsoever.

[Wildling 520]

If my Permission is cleared and suitable then I'm not going to mess about, the CZ 452 is coming out!

However they are still like you say very useful and valuable in areas that contain livestock or poultry or in places that are built up like barns or stables.

[RemyBolt 420]

Anyone know how I can get my springer up to 11.5ft lb it's shooting 7.2 at the min any help thanks

 

A really quick question, what is it you're shooting?

 

Currently I am using 2 different guns for 2 different situations, and I've just modded one (only a scope change) because I plan to change my style a bit.

 

The reason for 2 guns, 2 different situations, 2 different quarry's. I have a much lower powered CO2 rifle for ratting. When ratting I'm usually indoors, so a lower powered rifle it paramount! For the longer shots, I wanted a different calibre, and to concentrate on a different kind of shooting/hunting. So I went for a higher powered springer.

 

If I was a more highly skilled shooter, I'd not be too bothered about power and would focus on paper punching and winning comps (But I'm not into that). Really, check what it is you're looking to put a pellet into, then think about whether you really need to up the power. If you do, there are many things you can do. Lighter pellet and better spring are the 2 most obvious answers. There is always dieseling, but I'd be really careful of that practice.

[Wildling 520]

I don't think your get a answer any time soon mate, he hasn't been on since April........

[RemyBolt 420]

I don't think your get a answer any time soon mate, he hasn't been on since April........

Oh. Okay. Thanks.

 

I just think so many people just want more and more power, but they're only range shooting. Had a friend from work say he wanted to try ratting. I've known him a while and invited him along. I can't remember what gun it was but he said it was punching out just below 12ft/lbs. Needless to say he wasn't going to be popping pellets around £40'000 machinery. One stray shot or ricochet....no thanks.

[pianoman 3,587]

I've been shooting and hunting for almost 50 years with air rifles. I believe what both arguments have been saying. Tony is a great shot. I've seen him shoot and competed next to him. But for myself, all I know about power is, 11+ft/lbs with superb, consistent accuracy uppermost, is a very effective and, above all, humane killing combination. A lack of power can severely limit what you can effectively do.

 

I sent my Daystate Regal .177 back to them after its low power, sub-10 ft/lbs output was doing more to injure rabbits heads at 30 metres range or more, than punch the shot home hard and kill them humanely. I was disgusted to see my pellet actually fly visibly in my scope at a rabbit at 35 metres, hit the poor bloody animal in the head and bounce off, leaving it to go screaming with a fractured skull into undergrowth. No thank you!!

 

As it is, I prefer .22 for rabbits and general hunting with at least 11+ ft/lbs behind my shot. It whacks hard, penetrates deep into the head and knocks them flat and puts them down instantly. DEAD! With no prolonged agonies. That's all I demand of myself and my kit. Accurate shooting and more than enough whack!

 

Enough said from me on this one!

 

Simon

[Rez 4,961]

Bloody el. I come back from holiday and seem to have missed a hand bag fight. Sweet.

 

At the end of the day, and I haven't read every post here, accuracy wins over power. My two pence. If your rifle is accurate, and delivers around 4ftlbs of energy at the range your target is, and the pellet strikes the proper area, it's dead.

[Wildling 520]

Bloody el. I come back from holiday and seem to have missed a hand bag fight. Sweet.

At the end of the day, and I haven't read every post here, accuracy wins over power. My two pence. If your rifle is accurate, and delivers around 4ftlbs of energy at the range your target is, and the pellet strikes the proper area, it's dead.

Why comment if you haven't read every part of the thread, perhaps you should before jumping in feet first!