graham4877 1,181 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 If you can't or don't want to pay 300 for a good working pup.. then tbh.. you should not be getting any dog.. 300 is a cheap vet bill in some cases 2 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 if its the right type of pup that im after then i have no problems paying the asking price if i can afford it.remember that some of these bitches have been put to some top dogs for some hefty stud fees so i cant see the problem with people charging what they want to help get some money back . If the main aim of breeding is to recoup the stud fee,then the breeding and purpose of it is flawed. never said it was about recouping the stud fee but once you have your own pup then why not sell them money allways comes in handy ,not saying it to sound like a peddler though Stud fee,feeding ,worming,electricity,cleaning,lack of sleep,worry,etc.etc.etc.Money never ever comes into the equation when breeding a litter,if the litters bred for the right reason.The right reason for breeding a litter does not have to be about £££,s,if it is the breeding is flawed and unworthy,as is the case with most litters. what im trying to say is once you have chosen your own pup and maybe gifted out a few to mates ect what do you do with the rest, sell them whats wrong with that aslong as your not on here or other sites pushing out litter after litter cant see the problem. Breed an honest litter,get good working homes for what you can,then cull regardless. Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 some people its just for the money This is my point and the for sale section on here is giving the pedlars a captive audience travelled to shropshire for two pups £200 each i didnt mind it was the cross i wanted and of decent dogs.Next year the same boy same cross was asking £350 a pup and he coudldnt get rid of them hell slap it in to him got greedy like a few i know off Would they have been Deerhoundy/Collie type jukels?. beddy whippet greyhounds mate I travelled to the Shropshire/Wales border with a lad recently to obtain a Deerhoundy/Collie jukel,same county different lurcher,such is oft the case. Quote Link to post
paulf 820 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 if its the right type of pup that im after then i have no problems paying the asking price if i can afford it.remember that some of these bitches have been put to some top dogs for some hefty stud fees so i cant see the problem with people charging what they want to help get some money back . If the main aim of breeding is to recoup the stud fee,then the breeding and purpose of it is flawed. never said it was about recouping the stud fee but once you have your own pup then why not sell them money allways comes in handy ,not saying it to sound like a peddler though Stud fee,feeding ,worming,electricity,cleaning,lack of sleep,worry,etc.etc.etc.Money never ever comes into the equation when breeding a litter,if the litters bred for the right reason.The right reason for breeding a litter does not have to be about £££,s,if it is the breeding is flawed and unworthy,as is the case with most litters. what im trying to say is once you have chosen your own pup and maybe gifted out a few to mates ect what do you do with the rest, sell them whats wrong with that aslong as your not on here or other sites pushing out litter after litter cant see the problem. Breed an honest litter,get good working homes for what you can,then cull regardless. maybe your right mate but personely i couldnt cull whats left but thats just me ... 1 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 if its the right type of pup that im after then i have no problems paying the asking price if i can afford it.remember that some of these bitches have been put to some top dogs for some hefty stud fees so i cant see the problem with people charging what they want to help get some money back . If the main aim of breeding is to recoup the stud fee,then the breeding and purpose of it is flawed. never said it was about recouping the stud fee but once you have your own pup then why not sell them money allways comes in handy ,not saying it to sound like a peddler though Stud fee,feeding ,worming,electricity,cleaning,lack of sleep,worry,etc.etc.etc.Money never ever comes into the equation when breeding a litter,if the litters bred for the right reason.The right reason for breeding a litter does not have to be about £££,s,if it is the breeding is flawed and unworthy,as is the case with most litters. what im trying to say is once you have chosen your own pup and maybe gifted out a few to mates ect what do you do with the rest, sell them whats wrong with that aslong as your not on here or other sites pushing out litter after litter cant see the problem. Breed an honest litter,get good working homes for what you can,then cull regardless. maybe your right mate but personely i couldnt cull whats left but thats just me ... Better an early cull than a lifetime of neglect and cruelty,passed from pillar to post,poor feeding,cold bed,bad training and entering.Good home or cull?,its impossible to always get the best for the mutt,its easy to make the initial choice and thus negate whatever comes later. 4 Quote Link to post
paulf 820 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 if its the right type of pup that im after then i have no problems paying the asking price if i can afford it.remember that some of these bitches have been put to some top dogs for some hefty stud fees so i cant see the problem with people charging what they want to help get some money back . If the main aim of breeding is to recoup the stud fee,then the breeding and purpose of it is flawed. never said it was about recouping the stud fee but once you have your own pup then why not sell them money allways comes in handy ,not saying it to sound like a peddler though Stud fee,feeding ,worming,electricity,cleaning,lack of sleep,worry,etc.etc.etc.Money never ever comes into the equation when breeding a litter,if the litters bred for the right reason.The right reason for breeding a litter does not have to be about £££,s,if it is the breeding is flawed and unworthy,as is the case with most litters. what im trying to say is once you have chosen your own pup and maybe gifted out a few to mates ect what do you do with the rest, sell them whats wrong with that aslong as your not on here or other sites pushing out litter after litter cant see the problem. Breed an honest litter,get good working homes for what you can,then cull regardless. maybe your right mate but personely i couldnt cull whats left but thats just me ... Better an early cull than a lifetime of neglect and cruelty,passed from pillar to post,poor feeding,cold bed,bad training and entering.Good home or cull?,its impossible to always get the best for the mutt,its easy to make the initial choice and thus negate whatever comes later. not all dogs are neglected mate ,maybe if people did cull more then there wouldnt be as much shit about but its not for everyone Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,076 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 think if you had decent dogs and known there wouldnt be a problem of getting rid of excess through word of mouth in a ideal world lol 1 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 think if you had decent dogs and known there wouldnt be a problem of getting rid of excess through word of mouth in a ideal world lol The last litter i bred 11 pups,2 for me 3 for mates,the rest we,ll never know,i know 5 ended up in honest homes and thats all that mattered to me,5 that would see out their days looked after,rather than some id never be sure about.Money,bollocks,it never paid for piece of mind. 2 Quote Link to post
AirgunGuy 362 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Personally speaking...i think well bred, reknowned lurchers are far too cheap imho. I couldn't believe the price of these dogs when i 1st came on here. I would have no problem paying several hundred quid for a well bred lurcher. I think we sometimes forget how much goes into breeding your bitch. There's selecting the right stud, possibly travelling to see it work...meeting the owner, travelling to have your bitch covered and a stud fee. There's also the costs of feeding the litter, taking time off work, dew claws, jags, wormers (if the breeder chooses to do these things) etc etc.....and what if something were to go wrong and the bitch needed emergency treatment like a caesarean section??? I've paid £600 for my GSP bitch and travelled from Glasgow to Yorkshire to get her and i paid £800 for my Weimaraner bitch. I know it's a lot but i like the breeds and i know for certain that before they were bred, the breeder had the the bitch hip scored and had various other tests carried out so as to try and breed the healthiest dogs possible. The stud dogs were also very carefully selected and were the best show dogs at the time. I know this probably means nothing to most people but for me it was all about getting a healthy, happy dog that would give me and my family years of pleasure...something that usually isn't considered when buying a dog. I think if you're after a certain type of dog be it a pedigree or a certain lurcher then money should'nt be an issue...within reason of course Quote Link to post
northern lad 2,292 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Morton,I get where youre coming from but I have a border terrier at my feet here nearly 10 years old,bred worker to worker,I paid about £400 if I remember rightly,the breeder kept two pups himself ,mates had a couple and he was left with mine till he was 10/11 weeks old when he advertised him and I bought him,should he have been culled.....rather than suffer this lifetime of cruelty and neglect?....... 1 Quote Link to post
toby1066 413 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 you could be culling potentially the best pups in the litter. id rather give them to trusted people for free than kill them if they turn out well you could get something back off them in years to come and keep the line going 1 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I've always said that if/when I breed I will cull all pups except the 2 I pick and whatever my mates want. I think it's personal preference and neither opinion for or against culling should be forced onto someone else. I wouldn't want to be responsible for 6-8 dogs out there not knowing what's happening to them. Likewise I wouldn't want a handful of pups still sat around in the kennel at 10 weeks old and having to advertise them because they were under my feet. If decent and respectable lads approached me before hand and expressed that they wanted one then I would probably gift them out. But i would rather cull than give to any Tom, Dick or Harry and add to battersea dogs home and the likes. Gaz Quote Link to post
iceman001979 1,316 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Very simple if there is a buyer there will always be a breeder,Look at Hancock he gets it every time on here but people keep buying so he keeps breeding if there is a market then there is money to be made.Its all ok paying good money for working dog that is doing its job . But to take a gamble on £700 or £500 pup its your own choice because as we all know we all need bet luck picking a pup. 1 Quote Link to post
TORIN 18 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 this is just an opinion but anyone breeds a large litter and dosnt cull to help the bitch say down to 5 or 6 pups is only breeding for money Quote Link to post
iceman001979 1,316 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 this is just an opinion but anyone breeds a large litter and dosnt cull to help the bitch say down to 5 or 6 pups is only breeding for money But culling you dont know what your getting rid off you could be culling the best in the litter???? 5 Quote Link to post
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