genetic faults

[vixen 528]

they are not pedigree dogs so who cares,,, decent terrier men give there pups away to friends

 

so it's ok to breed and give away a dog with crippling genetic/congenital faults of some kind as long as it's not pedigree and it's free?? that's very decent indeed

vixen they are not pedigree dogs what part of that do you not understand they are workin terriers inbred dogs isn't that were you get the faults so why test any dog for a fault

 

A pedigree is a piece of paper NOT a bone structure..............ANY dog can be born with a genetic fault, but some responsible people stop these faults in their tracks not keep breeding from them and make faults worse or add then to a fault free line, but there are some who "dont care" which i take it you are the latter, now what part of that dont YOU understand??

this is not up for debate vixen this is a working dog site?? that bit of paper is what its all about MONEY pedigree dog is where ye get the trouble with bones ... well bred working terriers have more out crosses coming in than them pedigree muts so save this for a cruffs debate

 

I'm not debating, just stating facts.........i'll try and explain as simply as i can.............. a dog whether it has a piece of paper stating it's lineage or it doesn't have a piece of paper stating it's lineage should not be bred from if it has ANY crippling or genetic defects detrimental to the well being of the dog, i'm sure (well i'd like to think) most terriermen/women would want to work and breed from sound stock free from any genetic defects that would reduce the working ability in their kennel

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

Some have been lucky,others have not. A young dog striving and not faulting whatsoever yet having to walk him on a lead to a bank is a different story.

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

Breed off the same ?

NO.

Hide behind the curtains and tell lies, that seems to be the way people roll these days.

Rant over.

[barnaby 5]

they are not pedigree dogs so who cares,,, decent terrier men give there pups away to friends

 

so it's ok to breed and give away a dog with crippling genetic/congenital faults of some kind as long as it's not pedigree and it's free?? that's very decent indeed

vixen they are not pedigree dogs what part of that do you not understand they are workin terriers inbred dogs isn't that were you get the faults so why test any dog for a fault

 

A pedigree is a piece of paper NOT a bone structure..............ANY dog can be born with a genetic fault, but some responsible people stop these faults in their tracks not keep breeding from them and make faults worse or add then to a fault free line, but there are some who "dont care" which i take it you are the latter, now what part of that dont YOU understand??

this is not up for debate vixen this is a working dog site?? that bit of paper is what its all about MONEY pedigree dog is where ye get the trouble with bones ... well bred working terriers have more out crosses coming in than them pedigree muts so save this for a cruffs debate

 

I'm not debating, just stating facts.........i'll try and explain as simply as i can.............. a dog whether it has a piece of paper stating it's lineage or it doesn't have a piece of paper stating it's lineage should not be bred from if it has ANY crippling or genetic defects detrimental to the well being of the dog, i'm sure (well i'd like to think) most terriermen/women would want to work and breed from sound stock free from any genetic defects that would reduce the working ability in their kennel

think d mac hit the nail on the head with his post vixen

[jawn 449]

they are not pedigree dogs so who cares,,, decent terrier men give there pups away to friends

 

so it's ok to breed and give away a dog with crippling genetic/congenital faults of some kind as long as it's not pedigree and it's free?? that's very decent indeed

 

So it's necessarily diseased and crippled if it's free, or doesn't have a piece of paper declaring it worth working???

 

If your into guarentees.... buy one.

[WEDGEY 753]

okay vixen you win

[bunnys 1,228]

there will be working dog lines with phenotype defects thats for sure , seen it in lines of terriers . theres alot to be said for a good thick rough coat hides a multitude of sins . it dont have any bearing how they work , which is the main criteria . atb bunnys.

[bobby blackheart 1,209]

only problem ive ever had is bitches from a certain line would give birth and start killing the pups-take them from her and give them back and she would nail em-had one bitch from same line thats shoulder/elbow joints snapped and needed pinning back together -at around 3 months old-cant remember the condition but a few black dogs carry it-the bitches from the line were all spayed and given away to pet homes-took 6 yrs to find the one a pet home-dogs from working stock not allowed to graft become terrible fighters with other dogs.imho-the bitch in question would start a fight with her own shadow-lol-cant see any real terrier men talking a dog and finding out from a vet through tests if it has a fault-most knock it on the head and start again-different story if moneys involved-just look at the dogs with 100+ faults being churned out by the kennel club for big bucks-they dont care about the well being of the dogs its all for money-i know people with ped dogs that are only kept alive because the people have pet insurance and most vets are nothing but heartless c**ts that will keep a dog suffering so long as they keep taking your money-the people that keep these dogs alive are as much to blame as the breeders and vets in mho-if the dogs have a fault then its your responsabilty not to breed from them and pass on those faults.most peoples dont give a f**k for the well being of their stock.FACT.atb bobby

[Cleanspade 3,322]

i think with most working lads. natural selection. (survival of the fittest) comes into play. but some folk are a little kennel blind. and allow the rose tinted specs to come into play and not only keep but breed off dogs with faults. useing the old. its a working terrier patter. it works fine with three legs. or it doesnt need its eyes. its pitch black down there anyway any sensible dog owner will guard against breeding faults into there stock. allthough the methods may be different

[the_stig 6,614]

always used sound known stock so never had the need

[jawn 449]

For some the majority of a litter will wind up dead before they are ever bred, either through culling or a bad day in the feild. This isn't to say that the best will live to pass on their genetics. It's usually the very bad that are first to go closely followed by the very good. It's when the good ones do make it, and show no signs of defect that breeding makes sense. These dogs are usually born of the same type of sire and dam making genetic defects less common. PLL is a scorge in the jagd breed. I have heard of dogs carrying on or two copies of a mutated gene. But I have never seen one go blind from it. I should probably test for it. But our gene pool is too small, and the disease hasn't shown up here. Maybe because we usually breed from dogs that have some age on them.

[AirgunGuy 362]

My Weimaraner bitch will soon be getting hip scored as i'm going to take a litter from her as i've a few people interested in pups