Old values, do they still exist

[fat man 4,741]

I know of 1 such man who has a line of terriers goin on 50 year now and has only outcrossed a couple of times in that lenght.I myself have a bitch from his line of terriers and last year bred her back to a dog of his on his advice which i greatly apprieate.This man has the most consistant line of workers i have come across in my time with terriers which is almost 40 year.I now have 2 young 6month old bitchs from that mating and when they prove themselves over a few seasons and if i need more youngsters i will again ask this mans advice on a suitable dog for them as he is the 1 that knows whats what.

[TOPPER 1,809]

FD your spot on in your thinking , alot is to do with respect and iam afraid thats a dieing art , the days of the NS era when you were told what dog was what and what dog to use over it are gone 20 years ago there was alot more respect about for people who bred good terriers nowdays there branded peddlars even though they may only breed a litter every couple of years and IMO the like s of thl moochers etc don t help, the working dog was better off before the internet came along , JMHO tops

[bobby blackheart 1,209]

its all about the fame and money with people these days-they want the WHOLE world to know, that they got the best and everything else is shit-bought a pup many years ago from someone who had a chapter in book- -bumped into said person and mentioned i had a bitch from him and the silly c**t denied selling me the dog-what a f*****g cock-so i will have to disagree with you because 95% of terrier men are full of lies and BULLSHIT-what ever happened to NS? there will always be cocks no matter what era-respect is a 2 way thing-most the old boys are stuck in their ways and arent ALWAYS RIGHT-I will agree on the internet/mobile phones and silly clowns filming themselves breaking the law-was the death of working dogs-imho.atb

[dig4glory 109]

its all about the fame and money with people these days-they want the WHOLE world to know, that they got the best and everything else is shit-bought a pup many years ago from someone who had a chapter in book- -bumped into said person and mentioned i had a bitch from him and the silly c**t denied selling me the dog-what a f*****g cock-so i will have to disagree with you because 95% of terrier men are full of lies and BULLSHIT-what ever happened to NS? there will always be cocks no matter what era-respect is a 2 way thing-most the old boys are stuck in their ways and arent ALWAYS RIGHT-I will agree on the internet/mobile phones and silly clowns filming themselves breaking the law-was the death of working dogs-imho.atb

have to agree with u there mate to many people in it for the money and fame.they start off with a good dog then people show an interest in his dogs and all the man sees is pound signs

[TOPPER 1,809]

thats where iam wrong then ive given far to many good dogs away should have charged the earth and wrote a book

[CorkyJohn 808]

Lads tbh I know very few honest terrier lads, even mates I used to hunt with were turned when money came into it. I fell out with one lad who wanted to use my russell over his bitch. The dog had done little work & I knew the pups would be sold so I refused & lost access to some decent land. If I could build up trust with a someone of the same mindset would be great but thats the most difficult part when looking for a pup, how many lads with decent stuff sell pups on a forum?

[Turkey 97]

Theres hundreds of decent lads about who have been digging for donkeys years, you wont see them in a book, or writing or editing them, you wont see them at big shows squabbling like little girls if they dont win, these are the backbone of working terriers, not the other types, why would any genuine digging man want to draw attention to themselves by writing or being in a book, why write books anyway they serve no purpose than draw attention to us..... its all just about fame and money.

[Bryan 1,362]

FD a real smart genuine guy would ask the breeder for advice or just discuss his thoughts with the him or others in the group with the line.

 

The problem is too many don't want to share credit and want "Their Own Line!" ASAP.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

the real issue here i think is that a lot of lads that breed good terriers do it for the right reasons and over many years try to perfect there art. when they are getting on in years they can look back and see the mistakes they have made . so avoid making more by using hindsight.. and then they have to place some of these pups in young hands. this is soul destroying for the older lads as (some fall on stony ground ) its called the generation gap. i deal with a lot of late teen early twenties lads at work. and ive four i bred myself and all bar none. know more than me about anything. they are all well mannered and all are respectfull. but they all know what they want.

 

you cant put an old head on young shoulders. and its the young that will shape the future of your dogs. as they see fit. its a young mans game they are the ones you have to put your trust in. not sit in ivory towers shaking your head at them. they will make mistakes.(cast your mind back) RESPECT IS EARNED. NOT A RIGHT.

[fireman 10,859]

It's respect for the folks who gift you a pup to what you do with it when it's older as well as respect for the dogs themselves,my russells were both gifted to me as pups and they both are bred from the same line as such and IF they both go on to prove their worth then the first thing i would do is talk to the fella who gifted them me in what way to go with them breeding wise,to me it's just the done thing to do .

[lurcher330 2,297]

It would be worth your while to ask the breeder what would suit,but you have to consider what you would like from your expected litter,maybe you would like to create something that is not as hard or maybe something that is a bit harder and a dog you know from completely different line might suit your needs but is not the type the breeder of your bitch would recommend ,because it would not suit his needs ,but at the end of the day you should be breeding for your own use and you breed what will suit you

[Waz 4,252]

FD a real smart genuine guy would ask the breeder for advice or just discuss his thoughts with the him or others in the group with the line.

 

 

Cant think why anyone wouldnt do that!?

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

Been given pups and free matings,and always took on board what the lad had to say,as its his line and blood i was carry on.

[dev 226]

Totally agree with you turkey. Cant see why any digging man would want to be in a book to draw attention to the sport. I hear there is a new book being written about irish terriermen at the momant. I think anyone involved should have a good look at themselves and catch themselves on. The whole idea should be scrapped, advertising digging in ireland for all to see is maddness .

Theres enough pressure from the anti hunt brigade as it is.

[vixen 528]

There are old values with "some" terriermen/women still, BUT ................there are a lot more unhelpful people in the working dog world, they all want to be the best and have the best and be legends in their own mind, there is also the lies in the breeding of some dogs so no one unless you know them well is going to be honest and trustworthy, if a young person asks my honest opinion on a certain dog or line that i know then i give it, i have nothing to gain or lose ,and everyone has to start somewhere, as for writing books........some books are informative to young people starting off with their first terrier or lurcher, there are people who want to write books and are good at it (even if it is bullshit) and there are those who just write what has already been written a million times just wording it different or using pictures, the only books i would recommend would be care/welfare/first aid in the dog, as other peoples opinions in books can be missleading to someone starting out, the internet is worse than any book for damaging the working dog world, and full of people trying to intimidate others for daring to have different ideas or opinions to themselves, who cares who writes what books? dont buy them!! but i bet everyone having a moan about terriermen writing books have bought them!! so yes old values do still exist but it depends on who's opinion you would be asking