Old values, do they still exist

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Was chatting to a mate today and one of the things that came up was something i take for granted but which he says is dying fast .That is the practice of asking an owner of a line of terriers what he recommends you should put over a bitch you have off him .Im not talking about the one time breeder of a chance mating but someone who is respected in their production of worker after worker from a true line .Its my opinion that this practice is what keeps the lines alive and virulent and protects the working values .Offering a pup back too on first refusal is important as well .Your views please.

[Turkey 97]

Im in the process of doing just that

Edited January 11, 2013 by Turkey

[dee mac 579]

totally agree as the man that knows the said terrier the best will be the man that breeds it and if he reccomends that you use an outcross from diff kennells with maybe simular blood as his might be a bit tightly bred then you know he def genuine and not kennell blind somemen keep good kennells of dogs but cant see beyond them but its a wise man that s not afraid to look and search out the best way to bring his dogs forward by using outside blood the kennell blind man even tho he has his dogs at heart will run into a dead end sooner or later in my opinion !

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Thats what im talking about dee mac .Most line breeders will have a dog lined up in the back of their minds to suit any given generation and its that knowledge that needs to be retained .ignore at your peril .

[dev 226]

there are so many factors to consider. If the terrier was bought then no. Surely u could ask his opinion but you have no obligation to do anything.

Now on the other hand, if this breeder gave the terrier to u and there was an understanding or condition maybe at the time. Then yes you should honour it.

To be honest i would not take the gift of a terrier with conditions of what i am or am not allowed to do with the pup.

 

 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Just to clarify a point mate ,the buying ,selling of a pup dosnt come into the values im talking about so dosnt apply . The old value i speak of as that of wanting to ask his opinion not of being required to .Lines of workers are not by chance ,they are created by a long term commitment and plans adhered to when the result is good .His opinion counts for more than your guess work every time .

[dee mac 579]

i dont think thas what he means dev think he means if you were given or even bought the dog and it was a good one would the breeder not be the best man to approach to find out what would be best to breed it to as to have a good chance at producing some more good dogs think he s getting at some lads who hit on a good dog then go off thinking they know it all and breed it to what they think is best when infact the breeder will have a better idea as he produced the orginal dog if you get my drift

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

We are on the same page mate

[dev 226]

Dont get me wrong foxdropper if i knew of such a line. I to be honest over here i dont , then yes i would ask for his opinion .especially if the line is very consistant and producing a high percentage of top quality terriers. Would be silly not to.

But as i say i dont know of such a "line" over here

[bigfatskinheadterrierman 10]

honest post dev

[BOG SIDE 82]

THERE IS ALWAYS A WELL BRED TERRIER GO'S A STRAY AND SOME YOUNG BUCK GETS HIS HANDS ON IT AS A PUP OR AN ADULT THEN WILL BREED THE DOG TO ANYTHING,, WELL EVEN HE NEEDS TO START SOMEWHERE DEE LIKE YOU

[dee mac 579]

thats true bogside everybody has to start somewhere but from day one i was never afraid to ask a question or for advice there s the prob i think foxdropper is getting at ! same as some of the plummer men they kill a rat there experts lads hits on a digging dog hes an expert and off he goes 9 out of ten times it will go wrong you make your own luck and even to this day i would nt think twice about asking for advice of someone who had been in the game a long time and knew the in and outs alot better than me but you ve have to be cute as to what advice you heed and what advice you dont bogside

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

If the man is genuinely breeding good stock then he will rarely lead you astray as your future is his future too in a round about way .Just would be nice to hear about more more lads asking for breeding advice rather than going it alone on a tangeant that goes nowhere .Getting older you realise that these things are what is important rather than the strong head of "i know better".I know of a couple of lads ,well three if im included that wont have a pup back if the breeding wasnt discussed and for good reason .

[dev 226]

Thats question is too hypithetical. Lots of young lads do and lots dont.

[dee mac 579]

Needs to start somewhere yes but does he deserve that well bred pup ?

well foxdropper he either buys said pup or is given it if he s given it then the breeder must know him or think him genuine either way the lad gets his pup and take s the chance on it if works out then he s the man in control weather he uses his head and asks advice or storms off and does his own thing is up to him but if he has been gifted the pup and is serious about his terriers you ll find he ll ask the fella the pup came off for his opinion even tho he might not act on it as dev said earlier there a lot of considerations and senarios has making of a good post this be a change on here lol