Ratsmasher 36 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 cant you just snare it and then despach with your 6s? Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) cant you just snare it and then despach with your 6s? Not many have the skills/experience to snare, or even trap if it comes to it, the obvious answer is a rifle, but that isn't an option here either apparently, life would be easy if it was simple! Edited January 13, 2013 by Deker Quote Link to post
toby63 1,236 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Iv just had a txt back from the owners, this is what he uses.. Lylevale 12GA 65mm special game 30g. Any good? not for fox mate .i use 3"bb Quote Link to post
The Duncan 802 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Sod it, get SG's and they'll kill almost anything out to 50 yards. Unfortunately the post above is correct, a fox (or deer) could walk clean through the pattern of SG at 50 yards. These carts are awesomely devastating but you need to be real close! Not from my gun! They pattern pretty well through my beretta out to 50 yards, but the pattern does deteriorate rapidly after that point. A fair point you raised, but you assumed that I don't pattern test before I use on live quarry - a good idea for any shotgun user I reckon. Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Sod it, get SG's and they'll kill almost anything out to 50 yards. Unfortunately the post above is correct, a fox (or deer) could walk clean through the pattern of SG at 50 yards. These carts are awesomely devastating but you need to be real close! Not from my gun! They pattern pretty well through my beretta out to 50 yards, but the pattern does deteriorate rapidly after that point. A fair point you raised, but you assumed that I don't pattern test before I use on live quarry - a good idea for any shotgun user I reckon. That's forums for you! But I didn't assume anything, I made a comment based on experience of SG usage and the information on this thread! SG is a very powerful cart and imparts a lot of energy into each lump of lead it carries! It is commonly 11/8oz and contains ONLY 9 lumps of 8.4mm lead (why do we mix up imperial and metric?). It is true to say that the odds are, even if one lump of lead hit your fox in about the right place it should do the job, but............. The italicised COULD was the important word in my response, and could is still the answer at 50 yards with SG, you are playing the odds game at that distance, 9 lumps of spreading lead could let a fox walk clean through the pattern! Tight chokes are not the answer, this can cause deformed and worse spreading lead or a blown up barrel, or both! SG is delivering circa 220ft lb on each lump of lead, just short of 2000ft lb at the muzzle, (a standard .38 S&W 158g delivers circa 205ft lb so the effect is similar to 9 simultaneous shots from one of these) and I can guarantee not all will hit a fox at 50 yards whatever you do, the land is about 10 acres and flat, with horses, chickens, fences, etc, those other lumps of lead will be going somewhere! SG is not my choice at that distance, actually it's not my choice for anything so far except demonstration! ATB! Quote Link to post
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Sod it, get SG's and they'll kill almost anything out to 50 yards. Unfortunately the post above is correct, a fox (or deer) could walk clean through the pattern of SG at 50 yards. These carts are awesomely devastating but you need to be real close! Not from my gun! They pattern pretty well through my beretta out to 50 yards, but the pattern does deteriorate rapidly after that point. A fair point you raised, but you assumed that I don't pattern test before I use on live quarry - a good idea for any shotgun user I reckon. Well, what you consider an acceptable pattern density for fox (even with SGs) and what I consider acceptable are obviously very different. I'll leave it at that. Quote Link to post
The Duncan 802 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 dinner plate size through an appropriate choke. I'll leave it at that too Quote Link to post
jay r 5 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I have shot hundreds of foxes over the years ,ones that have been bolted by the terriers anywhere from 10 yards to 40 yards , i've always used victory mini mags 40 gram ones ,not meny get up from them i would not use anything else Quote Link to post
cyclonebri1 8 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 place some bait out i.e a dead chicken thats been dead a few days at the afective range of the shot gun and sit and wait. thats how i do it . My mate used to do that but tie a string from the chicken to his foot, suprisingly he can still walk. The OP mentioned something earlier that I have to comment on, something about it being tight to shoot but allowing a clear shot. With a shotgun that's not the real issue, the issue is with BB or AAA shot the charge carries 1 hell of a way, alot further than an air rifle pellet, and there are about 60 of them. Not ideal for a 1st time shotgun shooter. To be honest the more I think about this the more worrying it becomes, if the OP is going with the landowner and with the landowners gun, which I'm assuming the landowner can shoot?, then why does the landowner need the OP to shoot the fox?? H'mmm Quote Link to post
fraggle101 28 Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Im not a first time shooter, just dont have paperwork, and unsure about what SG ammo is for what exactly, iv had 6 years in the Army and have used SG's on quite a lot of occasions, a few times shooting clays, and shooting FIG11's in lanes.. i thin you call that 'Practical Shotgun' or something?? but im aware and sensible and understand the need for a decent backstop ect.. the ground is on a slope although the area is flat so unless the fox is at the top of the slope the shot will only hit the ground behind it. even if the fox IS at the top of the hill, the land begind is 20-30 acres of ploughed field which i also have perm for. The owner isnt overly fond of killing, which is why i have them as a permission, he has only ever shot a 2 rats! one of which he injured and his wife had to finish it off in a bucket of water!! lol.. he's OK-ish with being with me when we encounter this fox, but will not pull the trigger himself.. oh well.. i'll have to do it eh! ;-) Quote Link to post
tegater 789 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Im not a first time shooter, just dont have paperwork, and unsure about what SG ammo is for what exactly, iv had 6 years in the Army and have used SG's on quite a lot of occasions, a few times shooting clays, and shooting FIG11's in lanes.. i thin you call that 'Practical Shotgun' or something?? but im aware and sensible and understand the need for a decent backstop ect.. the ground is on a slope although the area is flat so unless the fox is at the top of the slope the shot will only hit the ground behind it. even if the fox IS at the top of the hill, the land begind is 20-30 acres of ploughed field which i also have perm for. The owner isnt overly fond of killing, which is why i have them as a permission, he has only ever shot a 2 rats! one of which he injured and his wife had to finish it off in a bucket of water!! lol.. he's OK-ish with being with me when we encounter this fox, but will not pull the trigger himself.. oh well.. i'll have to do it eh! ;-) BB's and sensible practices and you will be fine. Quote Link to post
Richie10 345 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I thought with all the time that's past it would have been done by now. Bait, hide, shoot. Dead fox. It's been going over that land for a while now and not disturbed before so it won't be shy. Quote Link to post
fraggle101 28 Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Iv not been up for a while, too little time! but will be up there sometime next week or soon after.. its a good 50+ miles from me, and with full time shift work its been difficult to time it right.. the weather hasnt helped as their ground has been sodden and im mainly going there for Crows & Woodies.. with it getting dark so early its been tricky.. not to mention 100+ miles round trip for 2-3hrs hunting.. although i will be staying into the evening when i go in future for the fox, as long as the owner has got better shells! lol.. Quote Link to post
sussex 5,777 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Think i'd take Rich 10's offer up,thats a fair old slap to shoot charlie...and thats assuming you get it 1st time,if you ask the people on here how often they have gone out to shoot a fox that's been seen the same place at the same time for ages............you go up kitted out rifle lamp etc............well how strange is that , seen him every night,allways here,this is the 1st night hes not shown up is the next thing you hear.,four nights later you get him.Some times it goes to plan !!! Good luck ..........ps by know he/she will have a mate ! Pps the guy needs toget rid of the mastiff & get something charlie aint taking the pi.s out of. Quote Link to post
fraggle101 28 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Haha.. That dog is a big old lump too! looks very hard but is the softest bundle you've ever seen! lol.. Id love to take Rich's offer! and it would be great to meet up at some point but it'd be taking some of the fun out of it for me! not to sound ungratfull or anything.. but id like to have a few trips up to see if i can get it.. they dont sound desperate to get him. And who knows, once he's gone i might lose my perm! just a thought.. i hope not!! Quote Link to post
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