PROBLEM

[Guest FOXDOG]

Hi everyone I have a question to ask

I work partime on a large estate doing the pest control. My job is to keep the rabbit,hare and fox numbers down. This means lamping through out the summer and although its not nice killing cubs it has to be done. Now I know of a few litters of fully grown cubs and 2 weeks ago decided to enter my young dog a 3/4 grey 1/4 bull who is 18 months. Well anyway up till last night he had caught 5 3/4 grown cubs But once the fox stops struggling he just leaves them there when there still breathing but not moving Now last night he got an adult yet small dog fox on the lamp and this was his first time he felt the pearly whites pierce his snout and to my relief it only made him want to kill the fox more BUT he did the same thing again although this time the fox tried to run away again so the dog had to catch him twice!! So this means that I have had to finish of the 6 foxes hes caught although they were barely alive they were still alive. So now how do I stop him doing this? This is the only dog I have so dont say run him with another dog.

Any suggestions apprieciated :clapping:

[Guest Frank]

Id say with time and experience, he will learn how to kill.

Best of luck, let us know how he progresses.

 

Frank.

[Guest FOXDOG]

Thanks Frank but its like hes not interested once the struggle stops he jus walks away sniffing grass, etc.

[mattyg 1,862]

i had the same prob with my beddy/whipxgrey, although not an out and out fox dog by any means he would often shake the life out of it then as soon as the fox went still he would look around for something else to chase or just sit there licking his nuts! thankfully he has grown out of it now(3 1/2). so i would just put it down to experience, im sure a dog of that breeding will "click" soon enough, good luck mate!

[ferret15 0]

maybe make a game with a skin at home on a rope get him to kill it and when he turnsaway move it again it might encourage it to stay on it a little longer?

[macker 5]

the first big dog fox that he gets a nasty bite from not just the odd

bite but one that makes it hard for him will usually change their tempement.

i found with some fox dogs that they will usually click in when they find it tough.

or some times jack. with a bit of luck he continue to improve

it only a puppy thing or or even just a stage older dogs

on their first seson can go through.

all the best

macker

[skycat 6,174]

I had a dog that did exactly the same, and no matter how many times she got bitten she never actually killed them: just throttled them until they lay still, regardless of whether they were still breathing. She never did change in the 8 years she was used mainly for foxes. Funnily enough her daughter and grand daughter knew instinctively to keep the grip on the throat until the fox had actually stopped breathing: they'd even let go once it was dead and look hard at it to make sure it had really expired and wasn't just unconcious, going in on the throttle bite again if it wasn't. Not all dogs are perfect at their job, but I wouldn't have swapped this bitch for the world as she was as good on a scent as a good fox hound.

[Guest FOXDOG]

MACKER last night was the first time he was bit properly but I know what you mean about a bite from a big winter dog fox Hopefully he will start killing them soon, SKYCAT did u try anything to get her killing them?

[Guest SHOT]

Never had a dog that did the job out right consistantly, some live with it some wont.

im still yet to see a dog that could grab its fox and with a quick flick kill its game...like the ones you read about

[juckler123 707]

Seen it a few times in lurchers and other breeds once theres no threat the dog dont want to know its worse still if your dogs intent on retrieving to hand.

Just get it to drop it and finish it yourself.

I know you have to do your job but i never run foxs nowadays better to wire and shoot them jmo.

[skycat 6,174]

Did I try to get her killing them? No, just as easy and quicker to finish them off myself as they weren't exactly lively. I just lived with the situation and she never lost any which was the main thing: she'd pull them out of bales and draw from an earth no problem, just didn't have the instinct to finish the job completely, though I honestly think she thought she had finished them off.

[Guest SHOT]

I honestly think she thought she had finished them off.

[Bosun11 537]

Seen this plenty of times with young bull X's, though mostley with 1/2's an 5/8ths, they want 'the fight' an when a fox plays dead they just lose interest, it's pure inexperience.

The best fox dog I have owned was the same to start, and at a dig he did the drop an re-catch thing three times , with me getting some terrible stick off the lads about bull x's !

As Macker said, a bite (or two) off a good fox will stop the problem i'm sure.

[luke 2]

seen the same thing with deer some will continually shake it long after its dead

others will lose interest when it stops strugling i think its just down to the nature

of the individual dog

[Guest FOXDOG]

for all the replys folks So of all the people who said they had seen a dog like this before, how many grew out of it