fac shotguns

[paulus 26]

The other interesting one relating to sec1 shotties is this and I admit I dont know whether I am reading it correctly, but...

13.18 Self-loading shot guns (semi-automatic

is defined in section 27 of the Wildlife and

Countryside Act 1981 as holding more than

two cartridges in the magazine and applies

only to large magazine shot guns (and

.22RF)) may be used to shoot certain pest

species under the terms of a licence from

either the Department for Environment,

Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) (WLF

100091 in England, WLF 008 in Wales) or

the Scottish Executive Environment and

Rural Affairs Department (SEERAD), but

is applicable to avian species only. Large magazine

shot guns may be required to deal

with serious pest problems with wood pigeon

or corvids (rooks and crows).

funny you should bring that up as a while ago i asked my flo about an fac shotgun and she all but quoted that it would only be granted for avian species

[danw 1,748]

Basc reckon rabbits are ground game

 

http://www.basc.org.uk/en/codes-of-practice/lamping.cfm

 

Under legal requirments

 

[paulus 26]

Basc reckon rabbits are ground game

 

http://www.basc.org....ice/lamping.cfm

 

Under legal requirments

been digging and found this so far

 

Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981

 

Shooters should acquaint themselves with The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (WCA) and comply accordingly. Particular note should be made of the restriction imposed by Section 5, which makes it an offence to use an automatic or semi-automatic weapon which has a magazine capacity of more than two rounds, to kill any wild bird. The definition also encompasses Section 1 (Firearms Act 1968 as amended) pump-action and semiautomatic shotguns, and any rifles whether bolt-action, pump-action or semiautomatic, with such magazines, including air weapons. However, a person will not be guilty of this offence if they have obtained a specific licence for themselves from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) - 0845 601 4523 (general enquiries). Any person committing this offence may also commit an offence of failing to comply with the conditions of his/her firearm certificate if he/she is only authorised for vermin control.

 

Any landowner giving permission to anyone who does not hold the appropriate DEFRA licence to use a Section 1 shotgun or any rifle with a magazine capacity of more than two rounds for such activities, will also commit an offence under Section 5.

 

The shooter does not need to have even taken a shot. If he/she is in possession of such a weapon with the intention of shooting wild birds, he/she commits an offence under Section 18 WCA, which is treated as if the offence had actually been committed.

 

 

however

 

the Secretary of State for the Environment issues an official decree every two years which amounts to an exemption from the usual prohibitions placed on the killing of specific species of wild birds with Section 1 shotguns. The following species are at the moment included in this exemption:

 

Crow

Collared Dove

Great Black-backed Gull

Lesser Black-backed Gull

Herring Gull

Jackdaw

Jay

Magpie

Feral Pigeon

Rook

Wood Pigeon

 

There are many species of animals which are protected - far too many to list here. They are all included in The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 and it is every shooter's responsibility to ensure that they do not kill or harm such species.

 

Taken from Herts Police guidance from above link, dated 2007 at the bottom. Aren't they a bit out of date with the list???

 

On conviction, a court can order the forfeiture of anything used to commit the offence, including firearms or even vehicles (Section 21 WCA)

 

 

this could be a little out of date as its from 2007

[tegater 789]

The other interesting one relating to sec1 shotties is this and I admit I dont know whether I am reading it correctly, but...

13.18 Self-loading shot guns (semi-automatic

is defined in section 27 of the Wildlife and

Countryside Act 1981 as holding more than

two cartridges in the magazine and applies

only to large magazine shot guns (and

.22RF)) may be used to shoot certain pest

species under the terms of a licence from

either the Department for Environment,

Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) (WLF

100091 in England, WLF 008 in Wales) or

the Scottish Executive Environment and

Rural Affairs Department (SEERAD), but

is applicable to avian species only. Large magazine

shot guns may be required to deal

with serious pest problems with wood pigeon

or corvids (rooks and crows).

funny you should bring that up as a while ago i asked my flo about an fac shotgun and she all but quoted that it would only be granted for avian species

Also it only mentions semi auto and not slide action shotgun, so are there different restriction between the two! Maybe one for Sportingshooter!

[SportingShooter 0]

Just ask for "Vermin" to be added as a condition and it covers everything.

 

Can't shoot Wildfowl or Game with a shotgun of over three shots in any case.

 

so just a norm ovu or s/s or semi 3 shot then shotgun. As i thinking what shotguns (W/Fs) use to knock down big geese.? even though i know its the size of shot in the gun to kill big quarry .?

 

Most Wildfowlers if they're using Semi-Automatics will likely have longer chambers i.e. 3 or 3.5" which take heavier loads. In the case of geese, usually you would combine that heavier load with larger pellets so you have a decent pattern of shot in the air. For a decent shot with some sense of respect for their quarry, staying within the killing distance for a big bird like the goose is far more important than the size of the shot or the load.

 

Certainly shouldn't need more than three shots all in one go. If you need more than three, then I think the bird deserves to get away for outwitting you

 

Paulus,

Interesting find that, something I wasn't aware of regarding a seemingly individual license being issued by DEFRA as a condition of being granted a S.1 Shotgun. Will do some digging on that one. I recall someone being granted a S.1 for ground game, particularly a 10 shot .410 for rabbits off the back of a quad.

 

Wouldn't be the first time a licensing department had granted something they didn't intend to though

[paulus 26]

Just ask for "Vermin" to be added as a condition and it covers everything.

 

Can't shoot Wildfowl or Game with a shotgun of over three shots in any case.

 

so just a norm ovu or s/s or semi 3 shot then shotgun. As i thinking what shotguns (W/Fs) use to knock down big geese.? even though i know its the size of shot in the gun to kill big quarry .?

 

Most Wildfowlers if they're using Semi-Automatics will likely have longer chambers i.e. 3 or 3.5" which take heavier loads. In the case of geese, usually you would combine that heavier load with larger pellets so you have a decent pattern of shot in the air. For a decent shot with some sense of respect for their quarry, staying within the killing distance for a big bird like the goose is far more important than the size of the shot or the load.

 

Certainly shouldn't need more than three shots all in one go. If you need more than three, then I think the bird deserves to get away for outwitting you

 

Paulus,

Interesting find that, something I wasn't aware of regarding a seemingly individual license being issued by DEFRA as a condition of being granted a S.1 Shotgun. Will do some digging on that one. I recall someone being granted a S.1 for ground game, particularly a 10 shot .410 for rabbits off the back of a quad.

 

Wouldn't be the first time a licensing department had granted something they didn't intend to though

wouldnt be ed cook would it ?

[SportingShooter 0]

Not entirely sure. That name doesn't ring a bell though.

 

Pretty sure it was a keeper I knew in North Wales.

[paulus 26]

Not entirely sure. That name doesn't ring a bell though.

 

Pretty sure it was a keeper I knew in North Wales.

just something i read a few years ago or maybe it was something totally different

[SportingShooter 0]

Well it seems whoever he way, shooting Rabbits off a quad with a 10 shot .410 is perfectly legal,

 

This appears to clarify the whole thing;

 

http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/docid/7C29BD90-DB06-4EF3-B44F1CBD1CDA6B00

[paulus 26]

Well it seems whoever he way, shooting Rabbits off a quad with a 10 shot .410 is perfectly legal,

 

This appears to clarify the whole thing;

 

http://www.basc.org....44F1CBD1CDA6B00

that it does pitty the individual firearms deptments didnt sing all of that hymn sheet

[SportingShooter 0]

Normally, they'll listen to reason if you point out the reasons why they may wish to reconsider refusing you for whatever it is.

 

If not, the BASC have a go and I've not known them fail when they believe someone to have "good reason"

[tegater 789]

Very interesting stuff SS / Paulus

[paulus 26]

Normally, they'll listen to reason if you point out the reasons why they may wish to reconsider refusing you for whatever it is.

 

If not, the BASC have a go and I've not known them fail when they believe someone to have "good reason"

its about time all this confusion over firearms was cleared up within the individual forces after all they all now use the same data base, the anpr car will flag up when it clocks your number plate all mannor of imformation about you including the fact you are a sgc and fac holder even the seriel numbers of the guns in your possesion, why carnt they all agree on whats allowed and whats not after all its suppose to be the law

[tegater 789]

Normally, they'll listen to reason if you point out the reasons why they may wish to reconsider refusing you for whatever it is.

 

If not, the BASC have a go and I've not known them fail when they believe someone to have "good reason"

its about time all this confusion over firearms was cleared up within the individual forces after all they all now use the same data base, the anpr car will flag up when it clocks your number plate all mannor of imformation about you including the fact you are a sgc and fac holder even the seriel numbers of the guns in your possesion, why carnt they all agree on whats allowed and whats not after all its suppose to be the law

The thing is, despite what some people think, they are only guidelines. Sometimes that is good, because FLO's can use common sense and discretion.

[Froudy 40]

Cheers for the info sporting shooter.

 

Atb

 

Froudy