Wxm 1,638 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 what breed would you say has really shaped the working terrier and really brought them forward to the working terriers we have today?? would it have been the patt / lakie / fell / jr / border / beddy / bull i understand that alot have been mixed to bring the breeds we have today but there must have been a eureka moment when the dogs were first entered and at the time the owner thought that that is the dog that will shape the bushing / ratting / digging world. whats your thoughts Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,322 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 i would have thought it was the bull n terrier. mix. there are decendents of the bullterrier all around the globe. that and the jrt. without the jack the other coloured terriers wouldnt be where they are now. this breed .also has a world wide following 2 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,756 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 IMHO I don't think any one breed has really shaped the terriers of today. Undoubtedly there's always been cross breeding so therefore no one breed can surely have shaped the terriers of today! 3 Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 fox terrier -- russell... Quote Link to post
Wxm 1,638 Posted January 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Man man is a factor in everything from the transport on the road down to his own arsehole, so man is always going to have an influance. but would you say that the introduction of patt / lakie / fell / jr / border / beddy / bull blood is the reason we have the hard grafting dogs that we have today? Quote Link to post
coldweld 65 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Compaired to when ? Are dogs harder grafting then when brock was legal ? most of todays hard dogs would be dead in there first encounter ! Dogs of yesterday needed Brains not just blind courage. 4 Quote Link to post
dee mac 579 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Compaired to when ? Are dogs harder grafting then when brock was legal ? most of todays hard dogs would be dead in there first encounter ! Dogs of yesterday needed Brains not just blind courage. personally i think dogs need brains end of weather it be 50 years ago or today ! Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Compaired to when ? Are dogs harder grafting then when brock was legal ? most of todays hard dogs would be dead in there first encounter ! Dogs of yesterday needed Brains not just blind courage. personally i think dogs need brains end of weather it be 50 years ago or today ! and a bit of blind courage 1 Quote Link to post
dee mac 579 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 yes of cousre stig they need plenty of courage but blind courage is more hassell than its worth at times yes on some days it looks impressive but on other s after a long shift to ground it ends up in weeks in sick bay which in turn winds up said terrier as its not getting worked then once fit and ready to go its back to square one with the ground rattling and another lay up ahead some never change but some do eventually learn to take a wee step back and use the brain as well as the brawn ! Quote Link to post
Turkey 97 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 The locator did more to shape the terriers of today more than any breed 1 Quote Link to post
dee mac 579 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 The locator did more to shape the terriers of today more than any breed i think the locator shaped the terriermen of today more so than the terriers most terriers will go to ground and work weather they ve a locator or not on but how many of todays terriermen could dig to a dog in a tricky place without a locator there s the twist ! 5 Quote Link to post
Turkey 97 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) I agree with what youre saying , but how much of the stuff being kept and dug to today would have lasted beyond 2 seasons 30 years ago Edited January 6, 2013 by Turkey Quote Link to post
dee mac 579 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) yea a fair point turkey but imo some of these mute dogs if given a bit more work would settle ! yes some never change there style of work and yes pre locator they d of been no use what so ever but i still think the dogs that were held in high esteem back then before locators are still the best type and what we all should strive to breed even tho we do have locators!hard dogs and i mean dogs that stay till dug not giving an inch and taking all that thrown at them are limited ie they ll never get the work over them that a steady sounding mixer will and there s always that thought of when they ll finally say enough is enough as was once wrote in a book i read anything in a fur coat with 4 legs can be sickened no matter how game it is ! Edited January 6, 2013 by dee mac Quote Link to post
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 yea a fair point turkey but imo some of these mute dogs if given a bit more work would settle ! yes some never change there style of work and yes pre locator they d of been no use what so ever but i still think the dogs that were held in high esteem back then before locators are still the best type and what we all should strive to breed even tho we do have locators But surely there blood lives on in some of todays terriers, Allthough slightly diluted. TUFFTY Quote Link to post
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