Breeding a nice type..!

[kevin-Day 9]

I am looking to line up a nice type working whippet x collie stud dog for 2014, a B&T or red fawn dog would be ideal, or tri-coloured, size 21" to 22"

 

Collie whippet, I have read that the first cross don`t take the shape of the whippet ?

 

I read in an old dog breeders book Some years ago now that Pups take 60% of their make up from the mother and only 40% from the father.

 

Well I think this could be right!

I used to breed a legy type bull terrier with a short coat black and tan over jack russels around 20 years ago, 2 of the jacks had short legs and a broken coat, and the other 2 jack russels were legy with a broken coat, well all the pups which I breed came out exactly the same type as the mothers, but colour of the father Black and Tan, and a bit harder than the mothers.

 

So if you was to breed a Collie whippet say, it may work out best to use a whippet bitch and a collie dog, not the other way round.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2013 by kevin-Day

[chartpolski 23,321]

Where do they get the other 10% ???

 

Cheers.

[pinguu 169]

Good read but only got 90%?

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

10% from the breeder?

[Paid 935]

Doesn't it have more to do with dominant genes, as in your terrier breeding, black and tan is quite a dominant colouring.

[reddawn 2,173]

nae offence pal, but if you spent mare time oot in the field, working dogs, youd soon see that dogs of most shapes an sizes can catch, its hardly rocket science

[chartpolski 23,321]

Mate, are you putting that pic in the middle of those "breed standard" pics and diagrams to show us how nice your pup is ? By the way, there is NO breed standard for Lurchers.... and anyone "stacking" a pup like that would indicate, to me, that they are "rosette hunters", rather than "rabbit hunters" !

 

Cheers.

[paulus 26]

better off having a read here http://www.stansburyalpacas.com.au/lineBreeding.htm

[kevin-Day 9]

Where do they get the other 10% ???

 

Cheers.

yes hit the 3 insted of 4 , its a nice tip for new breeder at the end of the day,those trying to breed a good fast type first good!

 

 

paulus

Very good read but this is really just line breeding! like kc dogs. which is for once you have the type you need!! to keep the type going. I do this with my dogs !

 

 

Paid

 

Good point about the dominant black and tan colouring genes as all jack russels have the Black and Tan gene, but the main point I was making was the taking the shape of the mother and not the father =Dam 60% Sire 40%

Edited January 4, 2013 by kevin-Day

[paulus 26]

Where do they get the other 10% ???

 

Cheers.

yes hit the 3 insted of 4 , its a tip at the end of the day,those trying to breed a certain type!

 

 

paulus Very good read but this is really just line breeding! like kc dogs. which is for once you have the type you need!! to keep the type going. I do this with my dogs !

it quote galtons law. thats what will determine the percentaces or charactoristics in any offspring

[CorkyJohn 808]

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Edited January 4, 2013 by CorkyJohn

[Taz-n-Lily 62]

There's the odd "expert" comes on here.

I've noticed .

 

I like this forum, me.

[kevin-Day 9]

Where do they get the other 10% ???

 

Cheers.

yes hit the 3 insted of 4 , its a tip at the end of the day,those trying to breed a certain type!

 

 

paulus Very good read but this is really just line breeding! like kc dogs. which is for once you have the type you need!! to keep the type going. I do this with my dogs !

it quote galtons law. thats what will determine the percentaces or charactoristics in any offspring

 

Yes I have line breed over the years too Sire to daughter then full brother to full sister then bring in new genes fresh blood, then back to grandfather to granddaughter and back to breeding full brother to full sister and I keep a list of all nice dog pups from previous litters, my dogs good right back to the Great Great grandmother from ghost lines and the last input of new genes was from Eve lines, but the next input or new blood I want in will be Collie whippet. with line breeding you can double up on the genes you want as-well as bad genes hence you need to correct when problem come up.

 

This is just a tip for new breeders not old hands, we should all give a helping hand.

Edited January 4, 2013 by kevin-Day

[jack68 628]

line breeding I have heard this one before it's all going well till you breed a litter of pups that come out deformed and can not catch a bunny in a phone box, then the said experts call that inbreeding why is this,,,

[johnny boy68 11,726]

What collie would you use, border or beardie???

 

No wait a minute you condemned them as poor, you'd use the very best fly ball champion english shepherd dog wouldn't you.