satan and todd 125 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 17:30, TUFFTY said: So shes with my mum then TUFFTY get some pics up of ye mrs she looks a bint ha ha love it Quote Link to post
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bobby blackheart 1,209 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 16:49, TUFFTY said: On 03/01/2013 at 16:33, whippet 99 said: On 03/01/2013 at 15:54, alimac said: On 03/01/2013 at 13:54, gonetoearth said: On 03/01/2013 at 09:51, alimac said: This threads certainly sorting the wheat from the chaff!! On 03/01/2013 at 09:51, alimac said: This threads certainly sorting the wheat from the chaff!! what the pro view then bud !!!!! Haha fanny;-) in my eyes there only animals not f*****g machines, in a dogs first season I'd forgive a few hiccups here and there but in its second season the rules & expectations change for me.. As for throwing work at it, yes that would be the way forward but to work a terrier sore is asking for it too walk off the job, but everyone's views of what "sore" is will vary & I'm not getting into that one on the net.. I'd like to see some of the hard men that expect there dogs to do a 100% shift in when worked sore, too get a proper doing and then see the following day if there up to doing it all over again with there swollen hands, bust nose, black eyes. 99.9% wouldn't entertain it as they'd be to busy licking there wounds in bed, f*****g jibbing pussys, lol, but hey its ok because there human, lol. I expect them to do a job and expect it to be done well but I also understand that there's limits to everything in life, including that of the working terrier... Keep a iffy terrier winning and stack the odds in its favour and chances are it could well turn out decent, but you start stacking the odds against them then the iffy dog is destined for failure.. as much as it hurts me your spot on ................i aint done much me self and i would value the likes of mr harcombes knowledge and opionions,...........a man who has a dedicated life to digging and seen alot of work .............i dont know him personally but he knows alot of the earths he works and he decideds what dog will suit a certain earth ...............wheen i read his articles i admire the man when he has a 2/3 year old terrier and says it might be a bit much for this terrier and decides to drop a better suited more exspereinced one in........... the man knows his stuff and definately knows his terriers limits.......... why the feck would any one work a dog sore is beyond me.............but these harder dogs do serve a purpose................but if your out alot and havent got many terriers then a box clever dog would be more your purpose ............... alot of dogs get messed up from people not entering them properly ....................thinking there machines ,...chuck a collar on and away you go...........not considering the depth ,size and more importantly the dogs capabilities.................. at the end of the day your dog is there to do a job and if it boxes clever all the better ,as long as it does it well ,.......you and your dog are better off for it........... i would like to think that i have seen a hard dog and yes it does is job and then it HAS to be rested for a week or two ................is it worth it i wonder sometimes mummy i dont know anymore Theres different types of HARD terrier in my opinion, I had one that you could only dig 4 times a year All dogs are different and ALL digging men are different. TUFFTY i still have 1 lol Quote Link to post
TUFFTY 1,484 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 20:52, bobby blackheart said: On 03/01/2013 at 16:49, TUFFTY said: On 03/01/2013 at 16:33, whippet 99 said: On 03/01/2013 at 15:54, alimac said: On 03/01/2013 at 13:54, gonetoearth said: On 03/01/2013 at 09:51, alimac said: This threads certainly sorting the wheat from the chaff!! On 03/01/2013 at 09:51, alimac said: This threads certainly sorting the wheat from the chaff!! what the pro view then bud !!!!! Haha fanny;-) in my eyes there only animals not f*****g machines, in a dogs first season I'd forgive a few hiccups here and there but in its second season the rules & expectations change for me.. As for throwing work at it, yes that would be the way forward but to work a terrier sore is asking for it too walk off the job, but everyone's views of what "sore" is will vary & I'm not getting into that one on the net.. I'd like to see some of the hard men that expect there dogs to do a 100% shift in when worked sore, too get a proper doing and then see the following day if there up to doing it all over again with there swollen hands, bust nose, black eyes. 99.9% wouldn't entertain it as they'd be to busy licking there wounds in bed, f*****g jibbing pussys, lol, but hey its ok because there human, lol. I expect them to do a job and expect it to be done well but I also understand that there's limits to everything in life, including that of the working terrier... Keep a iffy terrier winning and stack the odds in its favour and chances are it could well turn out decent, but you start stacking the odds against them then the iffy dog is destined for failure.. as much as it hurts me your spot on ................i aint done much me self and i would value the likes of mr harcombes knowledge and opionions,...........a man who has a dedicated life to digging and seen alot of work .............i dont know him personally but he knows alot of the earths he works and he decideds what dog will suit a certain earth ...............wheen i read his articles i admire the man when he has a 2/3 year old terrier and says it might be a bit much for this terrier and decides to drop a better suited more exspereinced one in........... the man knows his stuff and definately knows his terriers limits.......... why the feck would any one work a dog sore is beyond me.............but these harder dogs do serve a purpose................but if your out alot and havent got many terriers then a box clever dog would be more your purpose ............... alot of dogs get messed up from people not entering them properly ....................thinking there machines ,...chuck a collar on and away you go...........not considering the depth ,size and more importantly the dogs capabilities.................. at the end of the day your dog is there to do a job and if it boxes clever all the better ,as long as it does it well ,.......you and your dog are better off for it........... i would like to think that i have seen a hard dog and yes it does is job and then it HAS to be rested for a week or two ................is it worth it i wonder sometimes mummy i dont know anymore Theres different types of HARD terrier in my opinion, I had one that you could only dig 4 times a year All dogs are different and ALL digging men are different. TUFFTY i still have 1 lol Whats he out of mate? Anything in particlar? TUFFTY 1 Quote Link to post
aaron01 739 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 16:57, rex26 said: On 02/01/2013 at 20:38, aaron01 said: On 02/01/2013 at 20:27, bobby blackheart said: has he been carrying an injury you have missed?maybe why he dont face quarry and says nobody home?been digging to a dog the last few weeks and he has been spot on-tried him boxing day and he bolted 2 from a big old place,then moved on-when he settled and we got a mark it was 3.3/3.5m under 2 big trees and a fenceline running through it-gave him half hour and started to dig-real hard going took half hour to get a metre then we hit compacted shale and it slowed right down.turned around and dog showed outside 1 of the holes-he was in a right sorry state and so we cleaned him up and collared up my little bitch-she flew in and went straight to where the other dog had been-dig back on-4hrs later and we had opened up enough to see the bitch working the quarry-so she was lifted and quarry dispatched-talking to my mate and he said the dog had spewed-but looking back he was still sore from the last few digs the boy had, had with him-my mate reckons the dog knew we couldnt get down to him quick enough so thats why he gave up-what do you think?when i saw the dog work the week before he was real tidy and we where digging him at about 1.5/2m twice the same day without a problem.has anyone else had this happen to them?ive told my mate to rest him fully and then we will see if it was a one off or hes ruined.would of thought that the dog wouldnt care how deep the quarry was judging by how much gusto he had when working on the last few occassions-my view is the dog was sore and walked because he is smart-i could be wrong-what do you all think?interested in anwsers from proper dog men and not the keyboard crew atb bobby In my opinion when a working terrier goes to his quarry there should be no excuse for it to leave it maybe you shouldn't have entered the dog sore but even still he walked and that is that you can lie him up and try him again he might dig 50 more but in the back of your head you will never have full faith in him Bull shit but that's just me !!!!!!! Quote Link to post
satan and todd 125 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 20:52, bobby blackheart said: On 03/01/2013 at 16:49, TUFFTY said: On 03/01/2013 at 16:33, whippet 99 said: On 03/01/2013 at 15:54, alimac said: On 03/01/2013 at 13:54, gonetoearth said: On 03/01/2013 at 09:51, alimac said: This threads certainly sorting the wheat from the chaff!! On 03/01/2013 at 09:51, alimac said: This threads certainly sorting the wheat from the chaff!! what the pro view then bud !!!!! Haha fanny;-) in my eyes there only animals not f*****g machines, in a dogs first season I'd forgive a few hiccups here and there but in its second season the rules & expectations change for me.. As for throwing work at it, yes that would be the way forward but to work a terrier sore is asking for it too walk off the job, but everyone's views of what "sore" is will vary & I'm not getting into that one on the net.. I'd like to see some of the hard men that expect there dogs to do a 100% shift in when worked sore, too get a proper doing and then see the following day if there up to doing it all over again with there swollen hands, bust nose, black eyes. 99.9% wouldn't entertain it as they'd be to busy licking there wounds in bed, f*****g jibbing pussys, lol, but hey its ok because there human, lol. I expect them to do a job and expect it to be done well but I also understand that there's limits to everything in life, including that of the working terrier... Keep a iffy terrier winning and stack the odds in its favour and chances are it could well turn out decent, but you start stacking the odds against them then the iffy dog is destined for failure.. as much as it hurts me your spot on ................i aint done much me self and i would value the likes of mr harcombes knowledge and opionions,...........a man who has a dedicated life to digging and seen alot of work .............i dont know him personally but he knows alot of the earths he works and he decideds what dog will suit a certain earth ...............wheen i read his articles i admire the man when he has a 2/3 year old terrier and says it might be a bit much for this terrier and decides to drop a better suited more exspereinced one in........... the man knows his stuff and definately knows his terriers limits.......... why the feck would any one work a dog sore is beyond me.............but these harder dogs do serve a purpose................but if your out alot and havent got many terriers then a box clever dog would be more your purpose ............... alot of dogs get messed up from people not entering them properly ....................thinking there machines ,...chuck a collar on and away you go...........not considering the depth ,size and more importantly the dogs capabilities.................. at the end of the day your dog is there to do a job and if it boxes clever all the better ,as long as it does it well ,.......you and your dog are better off for it........... i would like to think that i have seen a hard dog and yes it does is job and then it HAS to be rested for a week or two ................is it worth it i wonder sometimes mummy i dont know anymore Theres different types of HARD terrier in my opinion, I had one that you could only dig 4 times a year All dogs are different and ALL digging men are different. TUFFTY i still have 1 lol me too wheeler shit Quote Link to post
bobby blackheart 1,209 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 dog in my avatar-old stuff-digging over his pups at the moment-showing promise but a tad hard-they settle down after a few seasons.atb Quote Link to post
TUFFTY 1,484 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 21:14, bobby blackheart said: dog in my avatar-old stuff-digging over his pups at the moment-showing promise but a tad hard-they settle down after a few seasons.atb What old stuff is he from mate? TUFFTY Quote Link to post
aaron01 739 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 21:11, aaron01 said: On 03/01/2013 at 16:57, rex26 said: On 02/01/2013 at 20:38, aaron01 said: On 02/01/2013 at 20:27, bobby blackheart said: has he been carrying an injury you have missed?maybe why he dont face quarry and says nobody home?been digging to a dog the last few weeks and he has been spot on-tried him boxing day and he bolted 2 from a big old place,then moved on-when he settled and we got a mark it was 3.3/3.5m under 2 big trees and a fenceline running through it-gave him half hour and started to dig-real hard going took half hour to get a metre then we hit compacted shale and it slowed right down.turned around and dog showed outside 1 of the holes-he was in a right sorry state and so we cleaned him up and collared up my little bitch-she flew in and went straight to where the other dog had been-dig back on-4hrs later and we had opened up enough to see the bitch working the quarry-so she was lifted and quarry dispatched-talking to my mate and he said the dog had spewed-but looking back he was still sore from the last few digs the boy had, had with him-my mate reckons the dog knew we couldnt get down to him quick enough so thats why he gave up-what do you think?when i saw the dog work the week before he was real tidy and we where digging him at about 1.5/2m twice the same day without a problem.has anyone else had this happen to them?ive told my mate to rest him fully and then we will see if it was a one off or hes ruined.would of thought that the dog wouldnt care how deep the quarry was judging by how much gusto he had when working on the last few occassions-my view is the dog was sore and walked because he is smart-i could be wrong-what do you all think?interested in anwsers from proper dog men and not the keyboard crew atb bobby In my opinion when a working terrier goes to his quarry there should be no excuse for it to leave it maybe you shouldn't have entered the dog sore but even still he walked and that is that you can lie him up and try him again he might dig 50 more but in the back of your head you will never have full faith in him Bull shit but that's just me !!!!!!! Some men are easier pleased than others but thats just me !!!!!!! Quote Link to post
TUFFTY 1,484 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 21:32, TUFFTY said: On 03/01/2013 at 21:14, bobby blackheart said: dog in my avatar-old stuff-digging over his pups at the moment-showing promise but a tad hard-they settle down after a few seasons.atb What old stuff is he from mate? TUFFTY TUFFTY Quote Link to post
terryd 8,694 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) On 03/01/2013 at 14:38, Aeron said: On 02/01/2013 at 20:44, MOO said: basicaly what im saying is you hear lads saying that dog is a good finder cause it has a good nose but imo there cant be that much differance in idividual terriers scenting capabilities ...if a terrier is in the depth and its quarry is on the move it is only the matter of seconds in front of it so surely it cant be that hard to follow useing scent ....we haave all seen all types of hunting dogs take a line on the surface that is hours old and surely the scent is very diluted ..... I personally dont think there is much of a differance of each terriers scenting capabilties I believe it is all down to Desire I agree some dogs will go through any thing to get there with out considering the consequences that's why the owner has to do that for the dog if possible. Some just lose there nerve. I never used too enter my dog in any big earth's if I could avoid it Edited January 3, 2013 by terryd Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) ... Edited January 4, 2013 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post
alimac 882 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 On 04/01/2013 at 07:56, gonetoearth said: ... I'd have to disagree Quote Link to post
lukey 1,621 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 On 03/01/2013 at 15:54, alimac said: On 03/01/2013 at 13:54, gonetoearth said: On 03/01/2013 at 09:51, alimac said: This threads certainly sorting the wheat from the chaff!! On 03/01/2013 at 09:51, alimac said: This threads certainly sorting the wheat from the chaff!! what the pro view then bud !!!!! Haha fanny;-) in my eyes there only animals not f*****g machines, in a dogs first season I'd forgive a few hiccups here and there but in its second season the rules & expectations change for me.. As for throwing work at it, yes that would be the way forward but to work a terrier sore is asking for it too walk off the job, but everyone's views of what "sore" is will vary & I'm not getting into that one on the net.. I'd like to see some of the hard men that expect there dogs to do a 100% shift in when worked sore, too get a proper doing and then see the following day if there up to doing it all over again with there swollen hands, bust nose, black eyes. 99.9% wouldn't entertain it as they'd be to busy licking there wounds in bed, f*****g jibbing pussys, lol, but hey its ok because there human, lol. I expect them to do a job and expect it to be done well but I also understand that there's limits to everything in life, including that of the working terrier... Keep a iffy terrier winning and stack the odds in its favour and chances are it could well turn out decent, but you start stacking the odds against them then the iffy dog is destined for failure.. Good post there Alimac, worth reading! Quote Link to post
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