Hunting Ban Repeal.

[Yokel Matt 918]

I think its sensible to postpone it if the chances of getting the right result are low at the moment. With all the other micro / macro trouble at the moment the bill wouldn't get the attention it deserves and would be pushed to one side as a 'toff-tory hobby when more important matters are at hand' as opposed to a traditional rural pursuit wrongly banned by a bunch of Labour tossers trying to smoke screen their own poor policy decisions.

 

If it gets a knock back again its curtains - Like the Badger Cull... bide your time.

[chartpolski 24,801]

Who in their right mind would vote Labour ever again history shows they can't run the economy, allowed mass imigration , sold our gold for pennys and after banning hunting they really showed they couldn't give a f**k about the working man

 

Ask all those idiots who voted for them, and won them, the three most recent by-elections ..........

 

Cheers.

[paulus 26]

http://jamesbarrington.wordpress.com/2012/11/27/animal-welfare-vs-animal-rights/

[danw 1,748]

Who in their right mind would vote Labour ever again history shows they can't run the economy, allowed mass imigration , sold our gold for pennys and after banning hunting they really showed they couldn't give a f**k about the working man

 

Ask all those idiots who voted for them, and won them, the three most recent by-elections ..........

 

Cheers.

 

Don't make any sense to me folks must have short memorys

[B.P.R 2,798]

when the wank bbc report of boxing day hunts and have a LACS supporter there spouting their shiite its a no brainer.

 

and saying stuff like 'its been illegal to hunt animals with dogs since 2005' SO EVERYBODY WHO SEES A DOG CHASIJG A RABBIT WILL REPORT IT!!!

 

and 'the rspca have just wont a case against a fox hunt' AYE FOR OVER 300 GRAND YE FOOKIN MUGS!!!!!!!!

 

ARGHHHHHHH

[paulus 26]

when the wank bbc report of boxing day hunts and have a LACS supporter there spouting their shiite its a no brainer.

 

and saying stuff like 'its been illegal to hunt animals with dogs since 2005' SO EVERYBODY WHO SEES A DOG CHASIJG A RABBIT WILL REPORT IT!!!

 

and 'the rspca have just wont a case against a fox hunt' AYE FOR OVER 300 GRAND YE FOOKIN MUGS!!!!!!!!

 

ARGHHHHHHH

she also said there have been 100`s of successful prosecutions under the act, not of hunts there hasnt. if my memory serves me correct there has only been 2 or 3 the rest were individual cases that shouldnt have been prosecuted under the act as there was already legislation in place to cover there offences

[nothernlite 18,089]

aye wont be voting tory snp labour or any of them f--k them and f--k the b-n just do what you have done all your life and enjoy it

[the_stig 6,614]

i think the whole working dog game will be gone in the next 10-15 years ,, be a hand full of people still at it when i started with the terriers there were loads of young terrier and lurcher lads about between the ages of 18-25 ... the next generation of working dog men arnt coming through and some of us older ones will soon be gone .in the age of play stations and fresh veg and oven ready chickens no one unless they want needs to be self sufficiant no one wants or needs to be interested in country living or country pursuits ... shooting is no longer a big earner for halls and country homes times are changeing ..repeal the hunting -- cant see it happening ,

Edited December 26, 2012 by the_stig

[B.P.R 2,798]

i only do rabbits anyway.

 

but its the utter shiite and garbage these people spout.

 

twisting what they say so they get more support.

 

 

 

[paulus 26]

i think the whole working dog game will be gone in the next 10-15 years ,, be a hand full of people still at it when i started with the terriers there were loads of young terrier and lurcher lads about between the ages of 18-25 ... the next generation of working dog men arnt coming through and some of us older one will soon be gone .in the age of play stations and fresh veg and oven ready chickens no one unless they want needs to be self sufficiant no one wants of needs to be interested in country living or country pursuits ... shooting is no longer a big earner for halls and country homes times are changeing ..repeal the hunting -- cant see pt happening ,

festivals and antique fairs are there way forward

[nothernlite 18,089]

i think the whole working dog game will be gone in the next 10-15 years ,, be a hand full of people still at it when i started with the terriers there were loads of young terrier and lurcher lads about between the ages of 18-25 ... the next generation of working dog men arnt coming through and some of us older one will soon be gone .in the age of play stations and fresh veg and oven ready chickens no one unless they want needs to be self sufficiant no one wants of needs to be interested in country living or country pursuits ... shooting is no longer a big earner for halls and country homes times are changeing ..

shooting brings millions of pound to scotland every year the same as fishing does we need it

[Giro 2,648]

I would still vote torie as its not cut and dry, its still a possibility.

 

Labour have depleted the bank balance f**k them.. They even wanted full ban on tail docking Pure Anti's and money wasters

[the_stig 6,614]

i think the whole working dog game will be gone in the next 10-15 years ,, be a hand full of people still at it when i started with the terriers there were loads of young terrier and lurcher lads about between the ages of 18-25 ... the next generation of working dog men arnt coming through and some of us older one will soon be gone .in the age of play stations and fresh veg and oven ready chickens no one unless they want needs to be self sufficiant no one wants of needs to be interested in country living or country pursuits ... shooting is no longer a big earner for halls and country homes times are changeing ..

shooting brings millions of pound to scotland every year the same as fishing does we need it

all gone round us the 2 big halls have been broken up and sold off in bits ...

[cocker 2,655]

The RSPCA's six-figure spite

 

 

 

Thursday, 20 December 2012

On Monday in Oxford Magistrates' Court two men pleaded guilty to four charges, each under a minor piece of legislation which carries a maximum penalty of £5,000. Their company – one was an employee, the other a director – pleaded guilty to four identical offences. The judge fined one of the men £250 for each offence and the other £450. The company was handed four £1,000 fines. You might think that is the end of a not-very-interesting story but you would be wrong, because the offence the two pleaded guilty to was breach of the Hunting Act and the company was the Heythrop Hunt Ltd.

 

If a prosecution involving a hunt was not enough to get media juices flowing, the Heythrop Hunt happens to be the only one based in David Cameron's constituency – and the Prime Minister is known to have hunted with the Heythrop hounds.

 

Such a coincidence was bound to put the story on the front pages but the fact that it was David Cameron's local hunt was no coincidence. The two men, Julian Barnfield and Richard Sumner, and the Heythrop Hunt were not investigated by the police and prosecuted by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), but targeted by the RSPCA. Of the 175 packs of foxhounds in the UK, the RSPCA chose to bring only one private prosecution – against the Heythrop. Nor was this the first attempt to prosecute the Heythrop and huntsman Julian. In 2008 the CPS brought four charges against him based on allegations by animal rights activists, but that prosecution failed. Last year the RSPCA summonsed Julian on another two charges, but again the prosecution failed.

 

So this year the charity returned with a prosecution unprecedented since the Hunting Act came into force in 2005. It brought no fewer than 52 charges against the hunt, its masters and employees, detailing ten allegations of illegal hunting.

 

The trial was due to start last week and would have lasted until the end of February. The cost of defending the case would have been well into six figures and then there were the RSPCA's costs to consider. There was clearly a big legal team at work and it did not look cheap. The RSPCA did not use its in-house solicitors, but hired top-end city firm Fishburns, which was clearly ready to spend whatever it took to get a conviction.

 

Julian and Richard took a pragmatic decision that defending such a big case was practically and financially almost impossible. They accepted that on four occasions they had allowed hounds to chase foxes that had jumped up while they were hunting artificial trails. The RSPCA dropped all other charges against them and against two others who had originally been prosecuted.

 

District Judge Tim Pattinson noted that in 500 hours' hunting last season the four allegations totalled just 15 minutes of criminality. He then handed down the fines, at the low end of the scale, and came on to the sticky issue of costs.

 

The RSPCA had been extremely reluctant to divulge how much it had spent on the case and when the judge calculated the total it was clear why – it had spent £326,980.23 on solicitors, barristers and associated costs. The judge called the figure "staggering", asking whether "the public may feel RSPCA funds could be more usefully employed". While Judge Pattinson was only commenting on this case, his question has wider implications. Increasingly, the RSPCA is becoming not simply an organisation focused on protecting animal welfare, but a political campaigning group promoting an animal rights agenda. New chief executive Gavin Grant has already ruffled feathers with his threat to "name and shame" people involved in the badger cull trials and by calling for boycotts against farmers in cull areas. Judge Pattinson's question can equally be applied here: is such a campaign the best use of RSPCA funds? Indeed, is it in the best interests of animal welfare?

 

There is something monstrously hypocritical about such profligacy and waste when the RSPCA is placing fundraising advertisements, claiming that "animal cruelty, neglect and suffering are reaching unprecedented levels in modern times". Paying a handful of lawyers more than £300,000 for a few weeks' work which had no impact on animal welfare, months after announcing 130 redundancies to address deficits on its £115 million annual turnover, suggests an organisation that has lost its way.

 

RSPCA membership has plummeted to just 29,000 and, while it will not disappear overnight, unless it refocuses on real animal welfare issues rather than a political animal rights agenda, it will progressively lose the support of the moderate majority.

 

Edited December 26, 2012 by cocker

[the_stig 6,614]

i think the whole working dog game will be gone in the next 10-15 years ,, be a hand full of people still at it when i started with the terriers there were loads of young terrier and lurcher lads about between the ages of 18-25 ... the next generation of working dog men arnt coming through and some of us older one will soon be gone .in the age of play stations and fresh veg and oven ready chickens no one unless they want needs to be self sufficiant no one wants of needs to be interested in country living or country pursuits ... shooting is no longer a big earner for halls and country homes times are changeing ..repeal the hunting -- cant see pt happening ,

festivals and antique fairs are there way forward

wont be many of our age running pups on ..