Jagd terrier for ground work??

[EnglishBulldog 14]

Hi my mate has just got a jagd terrier as his ratting dog and i really like the look of them but are they any good for ground work?

[Dan McDonough 560]

Some are but the downsides are that some are to big in the chest and some will kill underground and come out without the critter. They can do anything a hound can do above ground if they will tree but not all of them do.

[Jykke 5]

Hi.

 

Although GJT functions as a multipurpose-dog, I'd say that their main-purpose is working underground. I have 2. Both working wee bit differently. Bitch is trying to get the prey out to me and male attacks head on. And I don't agree w Dan. They do not kill (unless you talk about some smaller prey) fox-sized prey... Then comes the shovel-work...

 

= J =

[Jykke 5]

Oh and the size? That's dependent of breeding/pairing. So not general issue.

[Dan McDonough 560]

You'll mesure drive by what you see in this breed and you'll not make it home without some sort of adventure. Give it a go.

[coonboy 160]

i dont think you can make a genralisation of jagds as ther diffrent sizes and bread for diffrent uses depending on were u get one from i think tahts a question for the man who you getting it off i whuld want to see capabilitys of the sire to ground and take note of the size of both the parents before i got one for digging coz you chuld end up with a horse buying blind

Edited December 20, 2012 by coonboy

[Dan McDonough 560]

Jykke- I did say "some" as folks will forever remember you as a fool if the one they get is not exactly as described. I've owned right around 30 jagds and what I say is from experience. Some are fantastic but it may take a few to get one of those good ones.

[jawn 449]

Hey Dan did you get Minton's bitch bred to Payton?

You'll mesure drive by what you see in this breed and you'll not make it home without some sort of adventure. Give it a go.

 

This is what makes them special. Never in my life have I witnessed a breed so commited and good at getting themselves killed. But I have seen them give every bit as good as they get. They are like any other strain of terriers in that there is variation withhin the breed.

 

Some are but the downsides are that some are to big in the chest and some will kill underground and come out without the critter. They can do anything a hound can do above ground if they will tree but not all of them do.

 

This statement comes from a man that proved it.

[Jykke 5]

i dont think you can make a genralisation of jagds as ther diffrent sizes and bread for diffrent uses depending on were u get one from i think tahts a question for the man who you getting it off i whuld want to see capabilitys of the sire to ground and take note of the size of both the parents before i got one for digging coz you chuld end up with a horse buying blind

 

Agree. Of course I'd only give some general idea of the breed. And that idea comes from the those lines which (sort of) dominate here. There are some limitations for which then have greatly affected GJT-population . Bushing/driving (or whatever it is called) is prohibited using dogs over 28cm in shoulder-height. Legislators have apparently thought of giving animals a chance (terrain is tough, and added is snow during winter-time) would then make working-irish, GJT's. (Parson) JRussels etc better edge. -> now it is Dachshund for deer-work. Where aforementioned breeds without limitations would surely dominate.

 

Hence. Finn-gjt-population is "moderately sociable", size being approx 36-37nish on the most part (in the 's GJT's were brought to burrow in a dog-crate as they would attack "everyone" in sight. My males' litter-sister is similar; 4-legs makes you prey, size does not matter) .Healthy breed with life expectancy of 4yrs, due to profession. As Jawn aptly put it "Variation within the breed". Surely agree. As would say it is normal with every breed. Being that variation with general apperance, temperament or drive. Here GJT's are only sold to people with Hunting Licence. Not too much room for "peddlers" as only ca 230 registrations per year (incl imports ca 10). All litters more or less known.

 

@ Dan about chest-size and underground killing-subj: Agree on both. My current male is on the bigger size-mode. As his line is more into pigs, red deer, fallow deer etc in his mothers' native country, the longer legs and chest size can be seen as advantage. Where as we (the finn-hunters) see especially the rise of general GJT-size problematic. There actually seems to be sort of discussion about general GJT-appearance going into Smooth-Fox-Terrier-typish... Both kill squirrels, rats etc. But only male is generally teeth-on on bigger-sized prey, as (this) bitch is driving-bolting-side. By the way, no1 prey, Raccoondog, is similar to Opossum. I.e. pretends to be dead. As those came by early-'s or thereabouts, only handful of GJTs here until early 90's (when I got my 1st). As there is huge rise in number of raccoondog-population (this is out-dated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Raccoon_Dog_area.png

, as reports are that RD in Norway already.)

-> 3 first one's died due to huge wounds after a badger-burrow... Nowadays easier with Raccoondog. More help to birds etc with easier hunting and lesser injuries. Best weekend with 4 dogs and 6 guys; 24 raccoondogs few seasons back...

 

I keep 2 (male and female) indoors. (not pens). Part normal family-dog, part huntingdog.

 

Hope that clarified some.

 

@EnglishBulldog;

-Check with breeder and what she/he thinks of the litter's line... The breeder would know best...

 

= J =

[back fill 23]

Some are but the downsides are that some are to big in the chest and some will kill underground and come out without the critter. They can do anything a hound can do above ground if they will tree but not all of them do.

do you no of anyone crossing them with a hound say a beagle if they are as good as you say might be a usfull cross

[rothor 14]

Not really any point in crossing them with other breeds. Better to choose from lines that suits the kind of hunting you do. There are lines that are better suited for hunting above ground if thats what you are looking for (wild boar, roe, deer, fox...) I use mine mostly for hunting roe, and he is usually back after 45-60 minutes, if he has good contact with the roe. If he gets too far behind he lets go and comes back quicker. No boring waiting for the dog... Haven't had a chanse to try him on wild boar yet, but that would be really interresting!

Edited January 8, 2013 by rothor

[jawn 449]

I'm going to try crossing one to a good drahthaar to see what comes of it. A couple of us over here have been thinking they might make decent hog dogs. Jagds do an outstanding job... but a little more size and improved winding ability might make an interesting dog to add to the pack.

[rothor 14]

Not worried that a Drahthaar with Jagd mentality might be a bit too much...?

[jawn 449]

Yea... It's crossed my mind. But we're not right in the head over here. Sometimes you have to do stuff JUST BECAUSE someone warned you not to..lol

 

Besides... The way we hunt hogs here, the dogs have to stop the hogs from running instead of driving them. I figure there ought to be enought grit, and the Drahthaar should bring better winding ability to the cross. It'll be fun... or not.lol

[Tanto 3]

Some are but the downsides are that some are to big in the chest and some will kill underground and come out without the critter. They can do anything a hound can do above ground if they will tree but not all of them do.

do you no of anyone crossing them with a hound say a beagle if they are as good as you say might be a usfull cross

that would be an interesting cross wouldnt mind trying one myself. only ever seen one jagd an it was an earth dog