pet bred dogs that can make decent workers

[neems 2,406]

I find it strange how some Akitas seem to make the most aggressive yard/guard dogs about,when's the last time they were bred for any sort of work?

 

Ridgebacks also seem to make good guards sometimes,i was speaking to an old police dog handler who said the best dog he ever had was a ridgeback,if you think about it that breed must have spent more time as a purely show dog and pet than working.

 

any other breed known for this?

[rob190364 2,594]

Akitas are aggressive with other dogs....nothing to do with working???? and ridgebacks make good watch dogs, i.e. they bark at strange people/noises.....do you know for a fact that was an ex police dog handler? or could it have been a silly old story teller? I'm yet to here anyone ever say that any ridgeback is a better police dog than a decent GSD!

[Malt 379]

I find it strange how some Akitas seem to make the most aggressive yard/guard dogs about,when's the last time they were bred for any sort of work?

 

Ridgebacks also seem to make good guards sometimes,i was speaking to an old police dog handler who said the best dog he ever had was a ridgeback,if you think about it that breed must have spent more time as a purely show dog and pet than working.

any other breed known for this?

Not really.. Show breeding has only really gone daft since the end of the war, a lot of the fecked up breeds like the ones you've mentioned have been hundreds of years in the making..

[patterdalejoel 669]

I find it strange how some Akitas seem to make the most aggressive yard/guard dogs about,when's the last time they were bred for any sort of work?

 

Ridgebacks also seem to make good guards sometimes,i was speaking to an old police dog handler who said the best dog he ever had was a ridgeback,if you think about it that breed must have spent more time as a purely show dog and pet than working.

any other breed known for this?

Not really.. Show breeding has only really gone daft since the end of the war, a lot of the fecked up breeds like the ones you've mentioned have been hundreds of years in the making..

 

100 years of breeding and 1 rubbish mating can ruin any line of stock

[Malt 379]

I find it strange how some Akitas seem to make the most aggressive yard/guard dogs about,when's the last time they were bred for any sort of work?

 

Ridgebacks also seem to make good guards sometimes,i was speaking to an old police dog handler who said the best dog he ever had was a ridgeback,if you think about it that breed must have spent more time as a purely show dog and pet than working.

any other breed known for this?

Not really.. Show breeding has only really gone daft since the end of the war, a lot of the fecked up breeds like the ones you've mentioned have been hundreds of years in the making..

 

100 years of breeding and 1 rubbish mating can ruin any line of stock

Not disputing that mate, just giving my opinion concerning the part of the post I've highlighted in bold..

[neems 2,406]

Yeah i know for a fact,and I've seen a few Ridgebacks and Akitas on yards that i'd go nowhere near.

 

not saying they're better,but for breeds that haven't been bred for work for a very long time they seem to do ok.

[BS40liam 203]

My misses used to work in a pup and the landlord had a ridgeback, he was pure evil! I took my lurcher for a elk in the fields opposite the pub and Paul the landlord was over there and the ridgeback was putting rabbits out of cover I'd ont no if you could call that working but he seemed to know what it was doing

[man o kent 269]

Thats what ridgebacks are bred for, show or not. There are plenty of show lakelands and russells, doesnt mean they are no longer workers as a breed

[rob190364 2,594]

???? what a shit thread!!!! I'm not sure what the original poster was trying to get at, but akitas are nasty...big news! ridgebacks bark....big news! a ridgeback sniffs out a few rabbits? bit fookin deal, trust me...that's not what they were bred for!!!!!

 

there are show lakelands and russells?? and????? there are show bedlingtons aswell? do they have any relevance to the working bedlingtons? no! simple as that.

 

This has to be the most pointless thread on here, and that's saying something!!

[neems 2,406]

???? what a shit thread!!!! I'm not sure what the original poster was trying to get at, but akitas are nasty...big news! ridgebacks bark....big news! a ridgeback sniffs out a few rabbits? bit fookin deal, trust me...that's not what they were bred for!!!!!

 

there are show lakelands and russells?? and????? there are show bedlingtons aswell? do they have any relevance to the working bedlingtons? no! simple as that.

 

This has to be the most pointless thread on here, and that's saying something!!

 

my point was i find it strange some show and pet only breeds make good workers,there's a yard that keep some very expensive horses near me who have for years only used show bred ridgebacks as guards,and they do the job very well,you'd do well to find that in most other show/pet bred dogs.

 

same with Akitas the most naturally aggressive yard dogs i've seen have been akitas,but they haven't been bred for anything except conformation,color etc for a long time.

 

maybe you should not post in threads think are shit?

[baw 4,360]

Off topic slightly........ I had a mate, long long time ago, late eighties. Anyhow, he was a young lad still at school but always came out when he could with the dogs ferrets etc. we encouraged it obviously, rabbit carriers aren't easy to come by anyhow, his family pet was a 7 year old lurcher, deerhound cross, cracking looking dog. It was never used for hunting, just a big pet. Fed on tinned dog food etc. his mother left no illusion that this dog wasn't to be worked or else. So we never did couldn't resist one day we took it a walk (he wasnt allowed to even walk it with us) ended up on some good land. Hare got up, dog off lead, was on it in a flash, we were all gobsmacked watching this daft pet course this hare like a pro. It flecked it a few times then nailed it. After that we sneaked it out as often as possible, it was a natural...... It only had a short hunting career of 6 months but was out regular and in that time, I seem it catch more than it lost.

[fireman 10,996]

A mates mum had a cracking little terrier with buck/brey lines in it somewhere in it's history and that was a pet that we were well banned from taking out as she knew we'd let it do a bit more than she did with it ,she once phoned us up in a proper state saying the dog had dropped on in a dry pipe when out for a walk and when she asked us what to do?. We told her to hold the phone up the tube so we could listen to the dog baying like a trooper .

[baw 4,360]

[hutch6 550]

If you take any breed of dog and put it to work as a show dog it will still have the same instincts as it's working counterpart, they may be subdued to an extent but how do you get a beagle to be a show beagle without breeding two beagles? The same goes for any other breed of dog. A more interesting question would be when was the last time you saw a rottie herding, afterall, that is what the breed was initially intended for yet they are used as guard dogs or dogs of war? When was the last time you heard of a bulldog being used on farms or in abbatoirs or at auctions? Why don't they use Newfoundland's in swimming pools or on beaches?

 

With the right patience and know-how any breed of dog can be trained to perform any task another dog has been specifically bred to do, I'm not saying it will do the work to a better or same standard but it will do the job in a fashion. You could train a lab to herd sheep but it won't do it anywhere near as good as a collie, you can train a bulldog to do retreive but it won't do it as good as a lab or a spaniel, you can train a lurcher to do agility but it won't get the times a collie or JRT would, you can train a dalmation to guard but it doesn't look half as intimidating as a GSD or akita or rottie because it doesn't have the same association in the human psyche. A guy (I'll get his name if you want) stated this to a group of dog trainers and professionals and they laughed him off, Later on he asked a few of them to visit his pack of CKC and he saidf they were off out rabbiting. Sure enough the littel pack of spaniels were hunting rabbits much to the amazement of the other trainers.

 

It is not hard to turn any dog into a yard dog but just like any other job you ask of a dog it may take to it naturally or it may take a bit of motivating and training. I don't see what the big deal is.

 

If that police dog handler had a Ridgeback as his best dog then it must have been from ridiculously awful lines as it goes against the breed temprement completely or must have taken an awful lot of training. Had he never worked with a Mallinois, Belgian shepherd or even just a German Shepherd? A ridgeback might be able to some of the work but again, as I have stated, the Ridgeback wouldn't come close to the abilities of the three breeds I mentioned because the little bit of instinct in the Ridgeback that is there to tell it to be a distraction rather than a persue and take down dog. The training methods previously used by the forces training would shut the dog down instantly as they can't acept that level of training, they are like a lurcher in the fact that you shout at them and they go to pieces. A last bit of why the Ridgies failled to meet the requirements of the South African Police Force was thay they don't bark. A good guard dog should bark, any livestock guarding dog will have a dam good bark on it which is why they are primarily used as the top force's dogs - not only very tractible but also able to put up a real good show to let folk know they are there and who is going to approach a barking snarling dog? (personally I'll take on in a fight a barking snarling dog over a stiff ridged dog whoes tail is slowly wafting side to side and it's eyes firmly fixed me on me any day of the week, the latter is just making the final calculations before launching a direct attack, the former is warning what could happen).

[buster gonads 862]

Our lass has a Cocker X Poodle, dont laugh yet, i,v had it ratting, it bushes better than alot of terriers or spaniels i,v seen [very controlable] and swims like a fish, belive it or not it will even go to ground if given the chance as shes only small. its not a bad gaurd in the house at night too and Its been bred out of dogs that have never worked as far as i know, it just goes to show that if you put a dog in the right situation with the right encouagement and the right companion anything is possible, this little bitch will serve me well over the coming years i hope, now you can take the piss , buster.