coonboy 160 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) i loved the eubank ben fights as a kid and me dad had that old video set boxers ? u remember it the magazine with the video on the front each edition covering a certian fighter and the video case was a diffrent colour i used to love the old duran hearns and lenoard fights was a good set tht its in the attic at my mums have you ever read the jimmy wilde book gnash ? the ghost with a hammer in his hand ? and my recent favrouit is gatti ward Edited December 21, 2012 by coonboy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Check the link out coonboy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FULL-COLLECTION-BOXING-VHS-VIDEOS-INCLUDING-MAGAZINES-/220632129053. Back to Mayweather and I'll finish with this. . Best defensive fighter of our day? Could well be. Is he in the top bracket? Absolutely, but top bracket of today's fighters, the question was how would he get on 20/30 years ago as welterweight. . I know that your defence is relative to what you are defending against. Granted the man chinned our boy Hatton, but he was a weight above his own and hardly a young Roberto Duran! He struggled with a 34 year old De La Hoya, who was hardly a prime Leonard at that point. To say "you can't see why he wouldn't of done so well back then" is the same as saying that Miguel Cotto is as good as Duran. The welterweights back then were a league above Mayweather altogether. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 your all speaking as if the welters back then was unbeatable? and they wasnt, lenoard beat hagler because of his speed, skill, and staying away from him as best he good, i remember the fight so well because me and my best mate had 50 pound on sugar to win on points, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Check the link out coonboy http://www.ebay.co.u...-/220632129053. Back to Mayweather and I'll finish with this. . Best defensive fighter of our day? Could well be. Is he in the top bracket? Absolutely, but top bracket of today's fighters, the question was how would he get on 20/30 years ago as welterweight. . I know that your defence is relative to what you are defending against. Granted the man chinned our boy Hatton, but he was a weight above his own and hardly a young Roberto Duran! He struggled with a 34 year old De La Hoya, who was hardly a prime Leonard at that point. To say "you can't see why he wouldn't of done so well back then" is the same as saying that Miguel Cotto is as good as Duran. The welterweights back then were a league above Mayweather altogether. Sorry FM i beg to difa mate. I personally think that mayweather IS in the SAME league in my eyes TUFFTY 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coonboy 160 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 that link was empty tfm,,,, i think the reffs back then used to love a bit of a tear up they seem to let them get on with the fight a bit more than they do today and arnt as quick to stop the fight when some one gets tagged or only just makes the count when been on ther arse its a small bit like when they changed amature boxing from judging to a points system it promoted skillfull fast in and out type boxing rather than fighters and brawlers,, back to the pro i was onlie a kid so chuld be wrong but i think what happend in the watson ben fight had alot to do with how long the reffs whuld let it go on for Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 that link was empty tfm,,,, i think the reffs back then used to love a bit of a tear up they seem to let them get on with the fight a bit more than they do today and arnt as quick to stop the fight when some one gets tagged or only just makes the count when been on ther arse its a small bit like when they changed amature boxing from judging to a points system it promoted skillfull fast in and out type boxing rather than fighters and brawlers,, back to the pro i was onlie a kid so chuld be wrong but i think what happend in the watson ben fight had alot to do with how long the reffs whuld let it go on for My bad, try again mate. I appreciate your point regarding refs, some are bit premature sometimes for sure. Perhaps better safe than sorry though ay. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FULL-COLLECTION-BOXING-VHS-VIDEOS-INCLUDING-MAGAZINES-/220632129053 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulf 820 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 its just one of those things that you will never know we can all say that so and so would beat whoever and all have different opinions thats what makes these thread interesting .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Check the link out coonboy http://www.ebay.co.u...-/220632129053. Back to Mayweather and I'll finish with this. . Best defensive fighter of our day? Could well be. Is he in the top bracket? Absolutely, but top bracket of today's fighters, the question was how would he get on 20/30 years ago as welterweight. . I know that your defence is relative to what you are defending against. Granted the man chinned our boy Hatton, but he was a weight above his own and hardly a young Roberto Duran! He struggled with a 34 year old De La Hoya, who was hardly a prime Leonard at that point. To say "you can't see why he wouldn't of done so well back then" is the same as saying that Miguel Cotto is as good as Duran. The welterweights back then were a league above Mayweather altogether. Sorry FM i beg to difa mate. I personally think that mayweather IS in the SAME league in my eyes TUFFTY I'd agree he's in the same league in the skill and speed departments, but as for power, aggression, fitness, durability, will to win. . hmmm. . But there we are, that's my view, it'd be a boring place if we all had the same one! ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Duran would have chewed him up and shat him out,, 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 your all speaking as if the welters back then was unbeatable? and they wasnt, lenoard beat hagler because of his speed, skill, and staying away from him as best he good, i remember the fight so well because me and my best mate had 50 pound on sugar to win on points, Its worth keeping in mind Leonard didnt just beat Hagler he completely dominated him......dominated one of the greatest middleweights in history who had cleaned up the entire division and who was a massive favorite to win..................and having been out of the ring 4 years and jumped from welterweight to middleweight to do so.......id say if ever there was a fighter who at his peak was unbeatable......Ray Leonard was very close to it...............personally i dont think Mayweather could of dealt with Leonard or Hearns........infact i think Hearns would of beat him even more convincingly than Leonard would. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 i was onlie a kid so chuld be wrong but i think what happend in the watson ben fight had alot to do with how long the reffs whuld let it go on for I presume you mean Watson/Eubank........the referee that night was Roy Francis one of the best and most respected referees in Britain.......what happened to poor Michael Watson was proven in court to be entirely the fault of the bbboc......not the referee,the corner or anyone else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brookie 1,193 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 your all speaking as if the welters back then was unbeatable? and they wasnt, lenoard beat hagler because of his speed, skill, and staying away from him as best he good, i remember the fight so well because me and my best mate had 50 pound on sugar to win on points, Its worth keeping in mind Leonard didnt just beat Hagler he completely dominated him......dominated one of the greatest middleweights in history who had cleaned up the entire division and who was a massive favorite to win..................and having been out of the ring 4 years and jumped from welterweight to middleweight to do so.......id say if ever there was a fighter who at his peak was unbeatable......Ray Leonard was very close to it...............personally i dont think Mayweather could of dealt with Leonard or Hearns........infact i think Hearns would of beat him even more convincingly than Leonard would. great post gnash .i dont think we will ever see the likes of hearns nor leonard again mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 great post gnash .i dont think we will ever see the likes of hearns nor leonard again mate I dont either mate.....partly due to the fact that i just dont think todays game has the quality of trainers these fighters had Hearns had Emmanuel Steward....Leonard had Dundee and Duran had Ray Arcel......3 of the greatest trainers the games ever seen...........not only did they have unbelievable individual talents and qualities but they also had greatness in their corners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DannyMc 143 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Always respect your opinion Gnasher but imo Leonard didn't dominate Hagler,can't count how many times I've watched that fight and still can't decide who won,a good start and a classy finish from leonard but Hagler chased him and put the pressure on All the way. Read Leonard's book a wee while back,good read and hard too believe someone with so much natural talent was so unsure of himself going into certain fights. He says when him and Hagler got into the ring before the fight he would try abita psychological warfare so walked straight across the ring towards Hagler to see if he would budge,just before he got to marvellous he thought this guy ain't moving,I'm f****d,Hagler moved outta his way and he knew then he was well in with a chance. Some guys have more than just boxing ability,Leonard was one of them. I think Mayweather could box,with the protection afforded to modern fighters,with the best of them,the greatest defence the game has seen,lads that have copied his defensive style(Adrien Broner)are gonna dominate the game for the next few years. I also think Castillo was hard done by in the 1st fight,but Mayweather definatley won the 2nd which done him justice in my book. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micckey 106 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 hagler beat leonard in my view ..not only did leonard pick size of ring, bigger so he could run.. he also changed gloves making them bigger so knockouts where less possible or punches didnt hurt as much,leonard was the yanks golden boy of boxing they favour aggressor in usa say that if both fighters ran they would be no fight, now to me with all these factors in favour of leonard who ran most of fight looking good in last ten seconds of a few rounds is the biggest injustice since don king .. as for mayweather yeah he is very good but not unbeatable if in with someone same weight 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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