how to get my patterdale to go to ground

[the durham digger 127]

Hahaha!! Or at least cover your face!

[Work them hard 339]

i wouldnt do as the above , some well bred terriers will just take to it like a duck to water ,.........but if i was you i would play it safe as if your entering a pup.........

go out with an exspereinced dog , once you have dug down put a shovel between the exsperienced dog and your quarry , withdraw the exspereienced one and let the dog your entering have a look if he seems keen leave him on a lead and take the shovel away ...................do not let the dog take to much stick ..........you will be able to tell by the dogs reaction if its ready to enter on its own but to be safe i would just show him a few in stop end ........

not only will it educate the dog,.............it will tell you alot ,.........eg if it will sit back and bay .............or if it likes to be up close ...........or it doesnt want to know and comes away

some dogs are not entered properly and people exspect too much from a dog what hasnt seen nothing under your control and gets abit of stick then comes away , then its thought of as useless and the problem may be passed on or shot there and then.............

but they need to be entered gradually and i think you will give any dog a fair chance by doing this ,...............and not throwing them in the deep end and ruining them..............

make sure when your quarry has been humanely dispatched that you give the dog your entering a good rag , make sure the exsperenced dog what has worked your quarry is tied up out the way as for one there wont be no fighting and secondly you will avoid any dominating issues putting the new dog off..........

ive seen dogs enter straight away and done well.........and ive seen them go in take some stick then dont want to know and then there taken out a week later and the owner is wondering why it wont work............

some need time and need to be entered slowly and make usefull tykes but dont just throw a dog in and exspect miracles........because it dont always happen...................

there will probably better advice from better men as i dont work terriers as much as i use too........good luck

i wouldnt do as the above , some well bred terriers will just take to it like a duck to water ,.........but if i was you i would play it safe as if your entering a pup.........

go out with an exspereinced dog , once you have dug down put a shovel between the exsperienced dog and your quarry , withdraw the exspereienced one and let the dog your entering have a look if he seems keen leave him on a lead and take the shovel away ...................do not let the dog take to much stick ..........you will be able to tell by the dogs reaction if its ready to enter on its own but to be safe i would just show him a few in stop end ........

not only will it educate the dog,.............it will tell you alot ,.........eg if it will sit back and bay .............or if it likes to be up close ...........or it doesnt want to know and comes away

some dogs are not entered properly and people exspect too much from a dog what hasnt seen nothing under your control and gets abit of stick then comes away , then its thought of as useless and the problem may be passed on or shot there and then.............

but they need to be entered gradually and i think you will give any dog a fair chance by doing this ,...............and not throwing them in the deep end and ruining them..............

make sure when your quarry has been humanely dispatched that you give the dog your entering a good rag , make sure the exsperenced dog what has worked your quarry is tied up out the way as for one there wont be no fighting and secondly you will avoid any dominating issues putting the new dog off..........

ive seen dogs enter straight away and done well.........and ive seen them go in take some stick then dont want to know and then there taken out a week later and the owner is wondering why it wont work............

some need time and need to be entered slowly and make usefull tykes but dont just throw a dog in and exspect miracles........because it dont always happen...................

there will probably better advice from better men as i dont work terriers as much as i use too........good luck

very good reply whippet99. the only thing different that we would do is to use a garden fork instead of the spade the young dog can see the quarry and work it without getting too much stick. this is also great for teaching young hounds to mark.

 

 

 

I personally don't like stop ending, if anything I would only let the dog see slightly behind the shovel and not get any stick, Just letting it know its their and smell up close, ragging a dead fox is good just to get them interested. The thing I don't like with stop ending is that it can easily ruin a dog, Every dog becomes a hero when you break through or in a stop end, I don't think it will tell you too much about how your dog will work when on his own to be fair I'm sure it will just come naturally, If you tie him up on a dig and let him listen to another dog working it will get him interested in what's going on although he is a little young to be trying to ground yet.

 

As said I don't like stop ending at all seen many dogs sickened by it, these being dogs that took next to no punishment throughout the dig but once broke through to and daylight hits they dive in and get punished for it when it's not needed.

[swag 54]

Showing a terrier anything that is fabricated doesn't help in my opinion, ragging a dead un can lead to over confidence, that when they meet the real thing they go in all guns blazing and end up jacking because" last time I chewed on one of these it didn't bite back! " just tie that pup up next to a few digs, let it hear the fun going on below, let it get to know the sights and smells, then when it can't cope with watching anymore let it go, it's arse will disappear down that hole quicker than anything. Good luck chap

[alimac 882]

Dear RSPCA please come and knock my back doors in !!! You might not be doing it infront of a welfare office, thats very cunning, but telling the whole world on the Internet just isn't so clever really.. Do us all a favour and think before you post ......

Edited December 19, 2012 by alimac

[the durham digger 127]

Your dead right alimac!

[whippet 99 2,613]

i wouldnt do as the above , some well bred terriers will just take to it like a duck to water ,.........but if i was you i would play it safe as if your entering a pup.........

go out with an exspereinced dog , once you have dug down put a shovel between the exsperienced dog and your quarry , withdraw the exspereienced one and let the dog your entering have a look if he seems keen leave him on a lead and take the shovel away ...................do not let the dog take to much stick ..........you will be able to tell by the dogs reaction if its ready to enter on its own but to be safe i would just show him a few in stop end ........

not only will it educate the dog,.............it will tell you alot ,.........eg if it will sit back and bay .............or if it likes to be up close ...........or it doesnt want to know and comes away

some dogs are not entered properly and people exspect too much from a dog what hasnt seen nothing under your control and gets abit of stick then comes away , then its thought of as useless and the problem may be passed on or shot there and then.............

but they need to be entered gradually and i think you will give any dog a fair chance by doing this ,...............and not throwing them in the deep end and ruining them..............

make sure when your quarry has been humanely dispatched that you give the dog your entering a good rag , make sure the exsperenced dog what has worked your quarry is tied up out the way as for one there wont be no fighting and secondly you will avoid any dominating issues putting the new dog off..........

ive seen dogs enter straight away and done well.........and ive seen them go in take some stick then dont want to know and then there taken out a week later and the owner is wondering why it wont work............

some need time and need to be entered slowly and make usefull tykes but dont just throw a dog in and exspect miracles........because it dont always happen...................

there will probably better advice from better men as i dont work terriers as much as i use too........good luck

i wouldnt do as the above , some well bred terriers will just take to it like a duck to water ,.........but if i was you i would play it safe as if your entering a pup.........

go out with an exspereinced dog , once you have dug down put a shovel between the exsperienced dog and your quarry , withdraw the exspereienced one and let the dog your entering have a look if he seems keen leave him on a lead and take the shovel away ...................do not let the dog take to much stick ..........you will be able to tell by the dogs reaction if its ready to enter on its own but to be safe i would just show him a few in stop end ........

not only will it educate the dog,.............it will tell you alot ,.........eg if it will sit back and bay .............or if it likes to be up close ...........or it doesnt want to know and comes away

some dogs are not entered properly and people exspect too much from a dog what hasnt seen nothing under your control and gets abit of stick then comes away , then its thought of as useless and the problem may be passed on or shot there and then.............

but they need to be entered gradually and i think you will give any dog a fair chance by doing this ,...............and not throwing them in the deep end and ruining them..............

make sure when your quarry has been humanely dispatched that you give the dog your entering a good rag , make sure the exsperenced dog what has worked your quarry is tied up out the way as for one there wont be no fighting and secondly you will avoid any dominating issues putting the new dog off..........

ive seen dogs enter straight away and done well.........and ive seen them go in take some stick then dont want to know and then there taken out a week later and the owner is wondering why it wont work............

some need time and need to be entered slowly and make usefull tykes but dont just throw a dog in and exspect miracles........because it dont always happen...................

there will probably better advice from better men as i dont work terriers as much as i use too........good luck

very good reply whippet99. the only thing different that we would do is to use a garden fork instead of the spade the young dog can see the quarry and work it without getting too much stick. this is also great for teaching young hounds to mark.

 

 

 

I personally don't like stop ending, if anything I would only let the dog see slightly behind the shovel and not get any stick, Just letting it know its their and smell up close, ragging a dead fox is good just to get them interested. The thing I don't like with stop ending is that it can easily ruin a dog, Every dog becomes a hero when you break through or in a stop end, I don't think it will tell you too much about how your dog will work when on his own to be fair I'm sure it will just come naturally, If you tie him up on a dig and let him listen to another dog working it will get him interested in what's going on although he is a little young to be trying to ground yet.

 

As said I don't like stop ending at all seen many dogs sickened by it, these being dogs that took next to no punishment throughout the dig but once broke through to and daylight hits they dive in and get punished for it when it's not needed.

some terriers dont want to know a dead one, especially if it hasnt seen one before and you dont want to move the shovel unless its ready...............it will tell you alot of how ready the dog is,.................you can then tell whever it needs to see a couple more behind the shovel you have full control of the dog ........... when it enters an earth you are throwing a dog in, not knowing if its ready or not ..................but one day when you think the dog is ready like it or not the dog is going to see one in a stop end either under your control or not and i prefer to do it gradually and know how the dog is going to work then you know what your putting down a hole......................

and when you are entering a dog go shallow first and make it easy .............then you can build , im sure folk think you can buy these dogs off the shelf throw them in and exspect a good result,..................dont get me wrong ive seen some dogs take to it straight away and you would of thought they been doing it for years.............maybe im over cautious.............

to clarify years ago this is how we use to do it.............

[alimac 882]

Yeah pre ban mate, ffs, I honestly thought you were a little sharper than this fella..

[whippet 99 2,613]

Dear RSPCA please come and knock my back doors in !!! You might not be doing it infront of a welfare office, thats very cunning, but telling the whole world on the Internet just isn't so clever really.. Do us all a favour and think before you post ......

alimac for the record report me to the mods if its so wrong , i was just telling the lad how we use to do it years ago ..............just to help him out ...........

ive had the rspca around mine and because i never break the law they were happy with what they seen and were very pleasant...............

this is why im so open because i have nothing to hide they are welcome around any time and i would make them a nice cup of tea..............lol

attitudes like yours make me wonder if your self and others have got alot hide...........

[alimac 882]

Lol, iv no need to use the report button, if folk what to hang themselves on a forum then do be it, it just pisses me off that it does the whole thing no favours at all..

 

Did they actually find any terriers there when they visited:-)

 

You can try and turn the tables all you want on who's got what to hide, like you there welcome to come here any time they want with or with out a warrant.. But let's face it I'm sure there more interested in posts like yours in this thread than my general argumentative ones, lol, but hey you've put the peach of "pre ban" so I'm sure you'll be fine & I'm worrying about nothing..

 

[CorkyJohn 808]

Hole ending IMO is completely unnecessary & can encourage a dog to be reckless. Natural entering everytime, heard it said it can help with a slow starter but never found this to be the case. Theres a few hole end champions doing the shows round durham that have failed to make the grade but are peddled & have produced endless pups due to their breeding, looks, scars & fairytale working ability

[whippet 99 2,613]

Lol, iv no need to use the report button, if folk what to hang themselves on a forum then do be it, it just pisses me off that it does the whole thing no favours at all..

 

Did they actually find any terriers there when they visited:-)

 

You can try and turn the tables all you want on who's got what to hide, like you there welcome to come here any time they want with or with out a warrant.. But let's face it I'm sure there more interested in posts like yours in this thread than my general argumentative ones, lol, but hey you've put the peach of "pre ban" so I'm sure you'll be fine & I'm worrying about nothing..

your right pal and to be honest i wasnt thinking straight ....................i was just remembering how we done it years ago and really forgot about the current time were in and i should of stated preban ...................so i got meself to blame i guess im just old fashioned ...............

i dont do much these days with the terriers and there was terriers in my garden when they visited and they were happy............but i only keep pet russells ,..........which wouldnt harm a thing..... so hence why they were happy..............

your right about it not helping the whole cause of things.............i apologise for not stateing the times i was talking about and it was brain dead of me ..........

the closest i get to foxes these days is looking at old photos lol

[alimac 882]

Fair play fella

[Grinder 102]

Tag along with a lad/ lads who know what they are doing... That way you can be taught the right way of doing thing.... It's easy to spoil a young dog and disheartening for yourself if things are not done correctly ... All the best for the future

[Work them hard 339]

Hole ending IMO is completely unnecessary & can encourage a dog to be reckless. Natural entering everytime, heard it said it can help with a slow starter but never found this to be the case. Theres a few hole end champions doing the shows round durham that have failed to make the grade but are peddled & have produced endless pups due to their breeding, looks, scars & fairytale working ability

 

Exactly what I was trying to say pal! If its bred right and has the heart it should all just come naturally, We can't make them into workers, we can just get them into the best condition and ready for their possible job in life..