Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Just out of interest why are people adding rice and pasta to dry food after hard graft? Surely that's just reducing the % of protein which they need to recover? If you mix 50/50 pasta or rice with 24% protein dry food then you are only feeding 12% protein? Ok granted there is some protein in pasta and rice but negligible. You would be better feeding a bowl of tripe and chicken mince or diced fatty beef with a spoon of keepers mix after a hard night in my opinion. I haven't fed any carbs for about 6 weeks now and noticed no difference whatsoever in her performance. She is looking leaner and more muscular though. Atb. Gaz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sirius 1,391 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Yes I supplement my dogs diet as and when needed and daily with kelp seaweed based supplement and garlic and fenugreek tablets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulsmithy83 567 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Just out of interest why are people adding rice and pasta to dry food after hard graft? Surely that's just reducing the % of protein which they need to recover? If you mix 50/50 pasta or rice with 24% protein dry food then you are only feeding 12% protein? Ok granted there is some protein in pasta and rice but negligible. You would be better feeding a bowl of tripe and chicken mince or diced fatty beef with a spoon of keepers mix after a hard night in my opinion. I haven't fed any carbs for about 6 weeks now and noticed no difference whatsoever in her performance. She is looking leaner and more muscular though. Atb. Gaz Its like us pasta and rice afta hard graft helps restock the muscles after there depleted when u or dogs exercise they burn carbs as an ebergy source which depletes from muscles yes it reduces the amount of protein but like sprinters n long distance runners simple carbs are better then rice n pasta as they digest quicker n its only one small meal afta graft body need carbs just like protein to recover and repair plenty protein in the chicken/beef n what ever other foods ya feed ya dogs normally Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernlite 18,089 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 baffles me all this piss if your dog runs well good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulsmithy83 567 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 My dogs in past I very rarely gave it two em just on them really hard nites were ur out all day n then got lamping for 6-7 hours lol I feel smashed afta so think only fair to help dog afta, strangely dog next morning afta few hrs kip is bouncing to go out again so seems to work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernlite 18,089 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) i give my dog brown pasta a couple times a week also brown bread and raw beef and tripe but when you go into % this% that f--k me does your head in my dogs give me 100% everytime they work and thats all i want from them not getting at anyone Edited December 17, 2012 by nothernlite 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GazSBT 8 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Dogs don't use carbs like humans,dogs get there energy from animal fats not carb,if you look at dogs in the wild were would dogs find carbs ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 24,644 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Just out of interest why are people adding rice and pasta to dry food after hard graft? Surely that's just reducing the % of protein which they need to recover? If you mix 50/50 pasta or rice with 24% protein dry food then you are only feeding 12% protein? Ok granted there is some protein in pasta and rice but negligible. You would be better feeding a bowl of tripe and chicken mince or diced fatty beef with a spoon of keepers mix after a hard night in my opinion. I haven't fed any carbs for about 6 weeks now and noticed no difference whatsoever in her performance. She is looking leaner and more muscular though. Atb. Gaz Its like us pasta and rice afta hard graft helps restock the muscles after there depleted when u or dogs exercise they burn carbs as an ebergy source which depletes from muscles yes it reduces the amount of protein but like sprinters n long distance runners simple carbs are better then rice n pasta as they digest quicker n its only one small meal afta graft body need carbs just like protein to recover and repair plenty protein in the chicken/beef n what ever other foods ya feed ya dogs normally Are they like us ? As I understand it, dogs convert the likes of carbs, fats and protein completly different to us ? I just feed raw with a cheap complete as a mixer. The only supplements I ever use is bonemeal/calcium when they are pups. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Just out of interest why are people adding rice and pasta to dry food after hard graft? Surely that's just reducing the % of protein which they need to recover? If you mix 50/50 pasta or rice with 24% protein dry food then you are only feeding 12% protein? Ok granted there is some protein in pasta and rice but negligible. You would be better feeding a bowl of tripe and chicken mince or diced fatty beef with a spoon of keepers mix after a hard night in my opinion. I haven't fed any carbs for about 6 weeks now and noticed no difference whatsoever in her performance. She is looking leaner and more muscular though. Atb. Gaz Its like us pasta and rice afta hard graft helps restock the muscles after there depleted when u or dogs exercise they burn carbs as an ebergy source which depletes from muscles yes it reduces the amount of protein but like sprinters n long distance runners simple carbs are better then rice n pasta as they digest quicker n its only one small meal afta graft body need carbs just like protein to recover and repair plenty protein in the chicken/beef n what ever other foods ya feed ya dogs normally Are they like us ? As I understand it, dogs convert the likes of carbs, fats and protein completly different to us ? I just feed raw with a cheap complete as a mixer. The only supplements I ever use is bonemeal/calcium when they are pups. Cheers. your right...they burn food completely different to us... we store fat.. were is dog burn fats and protein up first Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) Dogs use carbs, fat, protein just the same as we do, same chemical reactions, enzymes etc, it's all based on stuff inherited from ancestors millions of years ago. As for supplements couple of links... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antioxidants-and-exercise-more-harm-than-good/ http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-top-ten-pet-supplements-do-they-work/ Feed and work your dog properly and it shouldn't need them. Edited December 17, 2012 by sandymere Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulsmithy83 567 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Just out of interest why are people adding rice and pasta to dry food after hard graft? Surely that's just reducing the % of protein which they need to recover? If you mix 50/50 pasta or rice with 24% protein dry food then you are only feeding 12% protein? Ok granted there is some protein in pasta and rice but negligible. You would be better feeding a bowl of tripe and chicken mince or diced fatty beef with a spoon of keepers mix after a hard night in my opinion. I haven't fed any carbs for about 6 weeks now and noticed no difference whatsoever in her performance. She is looking leaner and more muscular though. Atb. Gaz Its like us pasta and rice afta hard graft helps restock the muscles after there depleted when u or dogs exercise they burn carbs as an ebergy source which depletes from muscles yes it reduces the amount of protein but like sprinters n long distance runners simple carbs are better then rice n pasta as they digest quicker n its only one small meal afta graft body need carbs just like protein to recover and repair plenty protein in the chicken/beef n what ever other foods ya feed ya dogs normally Are they like us ? As I understand it, dogs convert the likes of carbs, fats and protein completly different to us ? I just feed raw with a cheap complete as a mixer. The only supplements I ever use is bonemeal/calcium when they are pups. Cheers. your right...they burn food completely different to us... we store fat.. were is dog burn fats and protein up first They burn food like us a dog only changes [bANNED TEXT] it hasnt got enough carbs, most complete mixers hav a crap load of carbs in, having lots of carbs in system also regulates blood sugar as at end of day that all carbs are I bet most dogs that drop off on the barf diet is due to this. I made same mistake few yrs ago only fed barf dog had seizure in field a few times asked my family who been in dogs 4 yrs said before u get rid try some carbs in the diet. I did and it never did it again. Obviously dogs need alot of protein but carbs should Neva b ruled out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Just out of interest why are people adding rice and pasta to dry food after hard graft? Surely that's just reducing the % of protein which they need to recover? If you mix 50/50 pasta or rice with 24% protein dry food then you are only feeding 12% protein? Ok granted there is some protein in pasta and rice but negligible. You would be better feeding a bowl of tripe and chicken mince or diced fatty beef with a spoon of keepers mix after a hard night in my opinion. I haven't fed any carbs for about 6 weeks now and noticed no difference whatsoever in her performance. She is looking leaner and more muscular though. Atb. Gaz Its like us pasta and rice afta hard graft helps restock the muscles after there depleted when u or dogs exercise they burn carbs as an ebergy source which depletes from muscles yes it reduces the amount of protein but like sprinters n long distance runners simple carbs are better then rice n pasta as they digest quicker n its only one small meal afta graft body need carbs just like protein to recover and repair plenty protein in the chicken/beef n what ever other foods ya feed ya dogs normally Like the lads above have said, dogs dont need carbs. They are completely different to humans. They use fat for energy not carbs. And pasta doesnt help restock muscles after graft either, High GI carbs (Sugar) restore depleted glycogen stores, Low GI carbs dont do it so well. But this is in humans, not dogs. I arent saying dont give the dogs pasta, it helps them feel fuller for sure and will help keep weight on dogs that struggle, it also helps firm there stools when feeding things like offal, just understand why you are feeding it and then you will better understand what to feed them after hard graft. Atb, Gaz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Dogs use carbs, fat, protein just the same as we do, same chemical reactions, enzymes etc, it's all based on stuff inherited from ancestors millions of years ago. Are you sure about this? Ive always been led to believe that they dont need carbs and they use fat for main energy source, completely opposite to us. Cheers Gaz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Dogs use carbs, fat, protein just the same as we do, same chemical reactions, enzymes etc, it's all based on stuff inherited from ancestors millions of years ago. Are you sure about this? Ive always been led to believe that they dont need carbs and they use fat for main energy source, completely opposite to us. Cheers Gaz You've had it now... Prepare for an essay! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Dogs use carbs, fat, protein just the same as we do, same chemical reactions, enzymes etc, it's all based on stuff inherited from ancestors millions of years ago. Are you sure about this? Ive always been led to believe that they dont need carbs and they use fat for main energy source, completely opposite to us. Cheers Gaz You've had it now... Prepare for an essay! Im ready I dont mind sandymeres essays and im always willing to learn. Ive read on LOADS of occasions that they dont need carbs, so if they do, and i arent feeding them, then i will start Gaz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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