graham4877 1,181 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Its not the guns fault tho.. if anyone is to blame apart from the nutter who did it, its his mothers fault ..well thats if ,if its true that he had a split personality then she should of had them guns locked up out of site with out him having any way of getting to them! whippet i know where your are coming from about what if it was my/our kids..... I don't know what i'd be thinking or doing if it was..... but you can't judge the many by the very very few 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I'm sure there will be lots of freedom loving Americans who won't want to give up their rights to own guns which is written into their constitution. There are more privately owned guns in us than the entire Chinese military has and that's not going to change because says so lol. Whether that's a good thing it a bad thing has got nowt to do with us it's deeply engrained in their culture. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milwr Jr. 99 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 The Americans never learn do they... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 hey born i remember one of the fathers of a kid killed in dunblane,being interviewed and pretty much said the the same thing.hey did admit he wanted handguns banned,and like me was suprised that folk kept them in thier homes,but he said he didnt want to see a knee jerk reaction,and genuine hunting,and people using guns in thier job being banned,and impartial people should look into it. although how anyone was impartial,would be hard.i live not that far from dunblane,and maybe it was the closeness that affected me,but i remember it be the only news story ive ever read where tears were running down my face reading it.i dont think f**k all will happen in america,and sadly it will happen again.the nra are the most powerfull lobby in the states. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackinbox99 41 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) I heard about this over the weekend as sure enough all the "lets ban guns" posts were popping up on twitter & facebook. So yesterday I had a bit of a look to see what happened. I assumed it was some nutter bloke with a big gun collection on the rampage again. But no. It was some goth nerdy kid aged 20, who according to everyone had no friends, dressed strangely compared to other school kids and didnt socialise with anyone else his age. He didnt have a job and spent all day playing on his computer. So already from the reports he sounds a bit strange. So how did he get guns? Well according to the reports, his mother had some, showed him how they worked and obviously didnt keep them locked away securely. So, looney kid gets hold of the guns and shoots everyone. So quite how "banning guns" would help here i dont know, as it wasnt the fact she had a rifle or 2, it was the fact she must have been an irresponsible gun owner in not keeping them securely locked away. I for one wouldnt let my kids anywhere near my gun cabinet. So, here we have another situation like Hungerford etc... where the "knee jerk" reaction from people who dont like guns is to try and suggest banning them will fix the problem. Rather than look into the actual facts and see what can be done to fix the problem.. Hungerford for example, from what I remember we had a nutter who the police fao recommends shouldnt have guns, is over ruled by their boss saying the guy is fine, then he goes out shoots people. What do they do? Common sense would say you look at where the process went wrong and fix it. Not just instantly ban hand guns. As if you havent fixed the process and the same thing could happen again. Same thing with Dunblane... peado allowed to have guns? One thing which I always find a bit funny, is in the US, after each gun tragedy every man & his dog rush out & buy guns. They were interviewing gun shop owners who said guns were flying off the shelves as people are buying them for self defence. I guess they figure if some of those teachers were packing they could have shot this guy before hand. Maybe having armed guards at schools is the way forward over there? But really they need to look at trying to encourage people to keep guns securely locked away. I remember talking to a guy when I was over in America the other year and he was saying how he keeps a loaded pump action 12 bore under the bed and has a couple of hand guns in the glovebox of his truck. Edited December 17, 2012 by jackinbox99 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 The Americans never learn do they... i know a gun annesty wont stop it happening ................but it would help...............and there does need to be changes made , whever its security or law , any decision made needs to be a well thought out one........ i dont mean to sound abit rash in my comments ..................and to speak about it like a statistic just doesnt seem right to me and a little respect i think is needed and may be i just see it from the families view more...............than the outside world.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 The Americans never learn do they... i know a gun annesty wont stop it happening ................but it would help...............and there does need to be changes made , whever its security or law , any decision made needs to be a well thought out one........ i dont mean to sound abit rash in my comments ..................and to speak about it like a statistic just doesnt seem right to me and a little respect i think is needed and may be i just see it from the families view more...............than the outside world.......... they need guns in gun cabinets.. and look at the mental heath of kid's.. and armed teachers !! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3175darren 1,100 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 The symptons of this blokes mental illness would have been there to see,his parents would have seen them or suspected them at some point, I can not see how kids sat on video games in there own world of killing and murder war games, and such can be mentally healthy when they are on them for extended periods of time,some come off them and believe they are invincible,but while big companies can make huge sums of money corupting the minds of kids via television or games, and goverments can collect there taxes from them it will go on,nothing should be more sacred than the life of a child,adults around the world have natural instincts to protect them,the gun didnt kill them kids the hand and mind behind the trigger did,and thats what society needs to look very carefully at,I really do offer my condolences to all famillies involved, and hope common sence will help people focus on the causes around this very sad incident,which will affect alot of people in many different way's,and hope the inocent people as in the hunting shooting community, are not unfairly offected, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackinbox99 41 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 The symptons of this blokes mental illness would have been there to see,his parents would have seen them or suspected them at some point, I can not see how kids sat on video games in there own world of killing and murder war games, and such can be mentally healthy when they are on them for extended periods of time,some come off them and believe they are invincible,but while big companies can make huge sums of money corupting the minds of kids via television or games, and goverments can collect there taxes from them it will go on,nothing should be more sacred than the life of a child,adults around the world have natural instincts to protect them,the gun didnt kill them kids the hand and mind behind the trigger did,and thats what society needs to look very carefully at,I really do offer my condolences to all famillies involved, and hope common sence will help people focus on the causes around this very sad incident,which will affect alot of people in many different way's,and hope the inocent people as in the hunting shooting community, are not unfairly offected, I agree, this kid clearly had mental issues from what everyone who knew him said and yet nothing was done. They just seem to have assumed he was a weirdo and left it at that. As for computer games & stuff like that, theres always been people claiming that games such as Grand Theft Auto would encourage people to steal cars, and games like Call of Duty would encourage people to shoot people. In fact, I remember after Hungerford I think, people were claiming Ryan had posters of Rambo in his living room and spent hours watching Rambo films (truth turned out he never even had a video recorder). I personally dont think computer games, movies & tv shows influence people so much that they rush out to copy them. I grew up on Smokey & the Bandit, Dukes of Hazard, Fall Guy & Cannonball Run and yet certainly didnt rush out & try to jump a river in my 850cc 1971 Mini which I was driving back in them days. Maybe if your got a very big mental illness and spend 18hours a day locked in your room playing Black Ops 2 on your Playstation whilst your mother is constantly telling you the world is going to end & you need to stock up on assult rifles, then it may be different. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milwr Jr. 99 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 The Americans never learn do they... i know a gun annesty wont stop it happening ................but it would help...............and there does need to be changes made , whever its security or law , any decision made needs to be a well thought out one........ i dont mean to sound abit rash in my comments ..................and to speak about it like a statistic just doesnt seem right to me and a little respect i think is needed and may be i just see it from the families view more...............than the outside world.......... Or they could take a leaf from our book and maybe re-think the second amendment to incorporate a more regulated system of firearm ownership. It wouldn't completely solve the problem (there will always be the mentally insane, gaining access to readily available firearms) but it would cut down the violence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalway 1,043 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I have no issue with someone owning one gun or 100 guns. They should be locked up properly though, in a ways that denies access to other people. Someone on another forum made a smart remark in relation to another posters post about drink driving, that gun shops are no more to blame than bars. Fair comment. But do you blame the alcohol, or do you blame the person who drank it to such excess then got into a car? Do you blame the gun, or do you blame the person firing it? I know I blame the individual. I know mental health isn't taken seriously the world over. But, as ever, people will knee jerk, and be as oblivious to that knee jerk as politicians are oblivious to it when they do it and we disagree with them. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalway 1,043 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Another thought is how are these people "made". I don't believe they all popped out of their mothers womb with wonky brain wiring. Some have to be produced from their treatment at the hands of others. This is no excuse, but it's rather a clue for society (that's you & I by the way) to cop on in the way it treats it's members. There have been two recent threads on here I can think of where people were, less than charitable to others. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 after reading that daft email.if it is correct that they are sealed for ten years,and he was shot with a 38.although i dont hold any validity in that.however it got me thinking,when i worked on the doors in stirling.we were talking to a cop no long after it happened,and he told us,that a ARV had got the call,and when the armed cops ran into the gym,and saw all those kids huddled in the corner.one of them had said "its just aswell the b*****d has shot himself,or i would have,f**k the job". is it possible he was alive?and the cop shot him.good f*****g on him if he did,but i dont know much about shooters,would the cops use 38 in those days? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 sorry 100years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,213 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) I have no issue with someone owning one gun or 100 guns. They should be locked up properly though, in a ways that denies access to other people. Someone on another forum made a smart remark in relation to another posters post about drink driving, that gun shops are no more to blame than bars. Fair comment. But do you blame the alcohol, or do you blame the person who drank it to such excess then got into a car? I find that a pretty bizarre comparison..........the idea of drinking in a bar isnt to get in a car and kill people...........is having a gun under your pillow a social activity !!..... Far as im concerned them yanks are a pretty scatty bunch........was listening to some mush on the radio today saying the best way to combat the problem is to arm teachers .................only in America ! Edited December 17, 2012 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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