Needing some advice on which rimmy?

[tegater 789]

i had a ,17hmr but as it makes just as much noise as a .223 i didn't see the point in having it any more as i can get cheap round which cost as little as the .17hmr for my .223.

 

as said above don't get rid of the .22 i did and now im paying to get slot back on license.

 

yes i liked my .17 but the noise for a rimmy and cost of ammo put me off, the original thought of a rimmy is take it out and shoot a couple of hundred round for fun at little expense not with the hmr.

 

keep the .22

get a .223

 

im geting a box of 20 for £7 and there accurate.

hmr are £15+ for 50 not a mega difference

£15 for 50 hmr, they must have seen you coming!

You are paying £17.50 for 50 .223.

 

Admittedly I buy in blocks but that's nearly £3 more than I pay, and if I wait for the inevitable offers, nearly £5 more!!!

[RobertoS86 3]

Firstly, thanks for the input guys. been an interesting read especially for that price list Paulus

 

.223 are mega cheap just now cause of the military thing. I use .222 and bloody love it

 

17, never appealed to me really, why bother ? what ranges are you on about ? Why cant you get to around 60mtr of a rabbit ?, buy a ghillie suit rather than a bigger gun.

 

I'm talking about 100-150 yrd range atm. Very hard to get anywhere close to them as its very open and they are very skittish, very lamp shy also (as i think) has been poached heavily in the past .

 

Have thort of just getting a Pulsar night sight for the rimmy but come the summer im going to be back at square one so im wanting the extra range and punch. Also come the spring there will be the chance of fox work too

[riflehunter583 58]

depending on the wind strength on your land i would go for either a .17hmr or small cal centre fire say .17 .204 .222.

[GEOFF.223 83]

i had a ,17hmr but as it makes just as much noise as a .223 i didn't see the point in having it any more as i can get cheap round which cost as little as the .17hmr for my .223.

 

as said above don't get rid of the .22 i did and now im paying to get slot back on license.

 

yes i liked my .17 but the noise for a rimmy and cost of ammo put me off, the original thought of a rimmy is take it out and shoot a couple of hundred round for fun at little expense not with the hmr.

 

keep the .22

get a .223

 

im geting a box of 20 for £7 and there accurate.

hmr are £15+ for 50 not a mega difference

£15 for 50 hmr, they must have seen you coming!

You are paying £17.50 for 50 .223.

 

Admittedly I buy in blocks but that's nearly £3 more than I pay, and if I wait for the inevitable offers, nearly £5 more!!!

 

very little difference in price in terms of performance, as you know .223 will eat up 4/5 times the range of the hmr, and if you already have a .22 whats the point in buying a gun that can only go a extra 50/60 yards when for the slightest bit more get a gun which can shoot 500 yards more?????? its a pointless calibre UNLESS u could get 500 rounds for £25 like the .22......

[tegater 789]

i had a ,17hmr but as it makes just as much noise as a .223 i didn't see the point in having it any more as i can get cheap round which cost as little as the .17hmr for my .223.

 

as said above don't get rid of the .22 i did and now im paying to get slot back on license.

 

yes i liked my .17 but the noise for a rimmy and cost of ammo put me off, the original thought of a rimmy is take it out and shoot a couple of hundred round for fun at little expense not with the hmr.

 

keep the .22

get a .223

 

im geting a box of 20 for £7 and there accurate.

hmr are £15+ for 50 not a mega difference

£15 for 50 hmr, they must have seen you coming!

You are paying £17.50 for 50 .223.

 

Admittedly I buy in blocks but that's nearly £3 more than I pay, and if I wait for the inevitable offers, nearly £5 more!!!

 

very little difference in price in terms of performance, as you know .223 will eat up 4/5 times the range of the hmr, and if you already have a .22 whats the point in buying a gun that can only go a extra 50/60 yards when for the slightest bit more get a gun which can shoot 500 yards more?????? its a pointless calibre UNLESS u could get 500 rounds for £25 like the .22......

Ok. So lets say the humble HMR will only shoot accuratley to 100, (a bit of an understatement) and you are saying the .223 will shoot at least 500 yards more, then I am interested what exactly it is, that you are shooting at 600+ yards, other than paper targets I hope. Please tell me its not deer or foxes. (depending on the country you shoot.)

[GEOFF.223 83]

i had a ,17hmr but as it makes just as much noise as a .223 i didn't see the point in having it any more as i can get cheap round which cost as little as the .17hmr for my .223.

 

as said above don't get rid of the .22 i did and now im paying to get slot back on license.

 

yes i liked my .17 but the noise for a rimmy and cost of ammo put me off, the original thought of a rimmy is take it out and shoot a couple of hundred round for fun at little expense not with the hmr.

 

keep the .22

get a .223

 

im geting a box of 20 for £7 and there accurate.

hmr are £15+ for 50 not a mega difference

£15 for 50 hmr, they must have seen you coming!

You are paying £17.50 for 50 .223.

 

Admittedly I buy in blocks but that's nearly £3 more than I pay, and if I wait for the inevitable offers, nearly £5 more!!!

 

very little difference in price in terms of performance, as you know .223 will eat up 4/5 times the range of the hmr, and if you already have a .22 whats the point in buying a gun that can only go a extra 50/60 yards when for the slightest bit more get a gun which can shoot 500 yards more?????? its a pointless calibre UNLESS u could get 500 rounds for £25 like the .22......

Ok. So lets say the humble HMR will only shoot accuratley to 100, (a bit of an understatement) and you are saying the .223 will shoot at least 500 yards more, then I am interested what exactly it is, that you are shooting at 600+ yards, other than paper targets I hope. Please tell me its not deer or foxes. (depending on the country you shoot.)

 

you would be very stupid to shoot a fox at 600 yards with a .223 do you not know this? i would shoot at the all day long at 450yards in calm days .

 

i would not shoot a fox at anymore than 100yards with the hmr and would only shoot it on calm days. if you planning to shoot foxes you should be looking at a .222 minimum.

 

the main point is you should not be buying a rifle that will not just do the job and no more, its a case of morals i would rather make sure i put it down with one shoot rather than wounding.

 

I sure you agree.

[Deker 3,478]

i had a ,17hmr but as it makes just as much noise as a .223 i didn't see the point in having it any more as i can get cheap round which cost as little as the .17hmr for my .223.

 

as said above don't get rid of the .22 i did and now im paying to get slot back on license.

 

yes i liked my .17 but the noise for a rimmy and cost of ammo put me off, the original thought of a rimmy is take it out and shoot a couple of hundred round for fun at little expense not with the hmr.

 

keep the .22

get a .223

 

im geting a box of 20 for £7 and there accurate.

hmr are £15+ for 50 not a mega difference

£15 for 50 hmr, they must have seen you coming!

You are paying £17.50 for 50 .223.

 

Admittedly I buy in blocks but that's nearly £3 more than I pay, and if I wait for the inevitable offers, nearly £5 more!!!

 

very little difference in price in terms of performance, as you know .223 will eat up 4/5 times the range of the hmr, and if you already have a .22 whats the point in buying a gun that can only go a extra 50/60 yards when for the slightest bit more get a gun which can shoot 500 yards more?????? its a pointless calibre UNLESS u could get 500 rounds for £25 like the .22......

Ok. So lets say the humble HMR will only shoot accuratley to 100, (a bit of an understatement) and you are saying the .223 will shoot at least 500 yards more, then I am interested what exactly it is, that you are shooting at 600+ yards, other than paper targets I hope. Please tell me its not deer or foxes. (depending on the country you shoot.)

 

you would be very stupid to shoot a fox at 600 yards with a .223 do you not know this? i would shoot at the all day long at 450yards in calm days .

 

i would not shoot a fox at anymore than 100yards with the hmr and would only shoot it on calm days. if you planning to shoot foxes you should be looking at a .222 minimum.

 

the main point is you should not be buying a rifle that will not just do the job and no more, its a case of morals i would rather make sure i put it down with one shoot rather than wounding.

 

I sure you agree.

 

GEOF.223...you seem to be making some sweeping generalisations, there is a lot of shooting going on out there at a lot of different quarry in a lot of different situations and at a lot of different distances.

 

I have 8 FAC tools, why, because I shoot a lot of different quarry in a lot of different situations and at a lot of different distances, and I endeavour to select the most appropriate for each job! Sometimes that may be the .22lr for fox or sometimes the .243 for fox, or anything in between, it may even be a shotgun!

[charlie caller 3,654]

Why dont you get a .22 hornet,and reload it? foxes out to 200yds,head shot bunnies @ 200yds,quieter than an hmr(with a good mod) if you reload it you hould be able to shoot for peanuts,as the hornet only burns a tiny bit of powder

[cyclonebri1 8]

for me ,22 then .17hmr then .223

 

That's what I would by, infact I did.

 

Like others, the 22 rimmy would be the last to go.

 

In my list I'd put the 12g after the .22

[riflehunter583 58]

for a purpose or personal pleasure ? we all buy and use for different reasons. have different guns for different jobs etc.

 

personally .... when i found out that .223 can be cheaper to run than hmr i was very interested (being a tight git).

 

when i learned that a well moderated .223 and hmr make similar noise disturbance i though some more.

 

when i learnt that .223 bucks the wind better than hmr i started to realise

 

having seen that .223 is a great fox round i had to get one. that the us military and uk military use a similar round has to be worth something,

 

that one can load fast fragable 40 s or slower 75's (a max) with huge 0.5 bc,

 

that the .223 burns powder very economically with large choices of ammo out there

 

and good amounts of land passed

 

its got to be a great choice for many a shooter for vermin up to scotish roe.

 

if huage numbers of americans use it for hunting and target work and the military use smilar its got to be a great round to have in your box if like me you want to get a good bang for your buck?!

 

alas this does not answer the chaps question.

why not own a .22lr and a .17hmr if it must be a rimmy. is not the .22wmr less accuarte than the .17hmr and hmr flatter?

however like has been said the hornet is flat and cheap to run for rabbits @ 200 yard . a good choice for a windy spot over the hmr and a finer bullet than .22wmr whihc looks like an old prehistoric bullet design like the .22lr.

Edited December 17, 2012 by riflehunter583

[Deker 3,478]

for a purpose or personal pleasure ? we all buy and use for different reasons. have different guns for different jobs etc.

 

personally .... when i found out that .223 can be cheaper to run than hmr i was very interested (being a tight git).

 

when i learned that a well moderated .223 and hmr make similar noise disturbance i though some more.

 

when i learnt that .223 bucks the wind better than hmr i started to realise

 

having seen that .223 is a great fox round i had to get one. that the us military and uk military use a similar round has to be worth something,

 

that one can load fast fragable 40 s or slower 75's (a max) with huge 0.5 bc,

 

that the .223 burns powder very economically with large choices of ammo out there

 

and good amounts of land passed

 

its got to be a great choice for many a shooter for vermin up to scotish roe.

 

if huage numbers of americans use it for hunting and target work and the military use smilar its got to be a great round to have in your box if like me you want to get a good bang for your buck?!

 

alas this does not answer the chaps question.

why not own a .22lr and a .17hmr if it must be a rimmy. is not the .22wmr less accuarte than the .17hmr and hmr flatter?

however like has been said the hornet is flat and cheap to run for rabbits @ 200 yard . a good choice for a windy spot over the hmr and a finer bullet than .22wmr whihc looks like an old prehistoric bullet design like the .22lr.

 

The HMR shoots flatter and is FRACTIONALLY more accurate than the WMR, but the WMR in 30g V-Max is very flat and accurate and carries approx 70ft lb more out of the barrel than the HMR, so that maybe 3-5mm difference in accuracy at 100 yards is more than made up by calibre size and energy!

 

As for a prehistoric looking round , what do you think the HMR is based on, and talk prehistoric, when did you last look at a .22 Hornet Cartridge, but what have looks got to do with anything?

 

[riflehunter583 58]

for a purpose or personal pleasure ? we all buy and use for different reasons. have different guns for different jobs etc.

 

personally .... when i found out that .223 can be cheaper to run than hmr i was very interested (being a tight git).

 

when i learned that a well moderated .223 and hmr make similar noise disturbance i though some more.

 

when i learnt that .223 bucks the wind better than hmr i started to realise

 

having seen that .223 is a great fox round i had to get one. that the us military and uk military use a similar round has to be worth something,

 

that one can load fast fragable 40 s or slower 75's (a max) with huge 0.5 bc,

 

that the .223 burns powder very economically with large choices of ammo out there

 

and good amounts of land passed

 

its got to be a great choice for many a shooter for vermin up to scotish roe.

 

if huage numbers of americans use it for hunting and target work and the military use smilar its got to be a great round to have in your box if like me you want to get a good bang for your buck?!

 

alas this does not answer the chaps question.

why not own a .22lr and a .17hmr if it must be a rimmy. is not the .22wmr less accuarte than the .17hmr and hmr flatter?

however like has been said the hornet is flat and cheap to run for rabbits @ 200 yard . a good choice for a windy spot over the hmr and a finer bullet than .22wmr whihc looks like an old prehistoric bullet design like the .22lr.

 

The HMR shoots flatter and is FRACTIONALLY more accurate than the WMR, but the WMR in 30g V-Max is very flat and accurate and carries approx 70ft lb more out of the barrel than the HMR, so that maybe 3-5mm difference in accuracy at 100 yards is more than made up by calibre size and energy!

 

As for a prehistoric looking round , what do you think the HMR is based on, and talk prehistoric, when did you last look at a .22 Hornet Cartridge, but what have looks got to do with anything?

 

 

alot actually.

the shape and surface finnish of a round is important to its accuracy. .22lr rounds do look like bullets used in wars many years ago i.e. old technology. well thats my observation anyway.

and you need accuracy to hit bunnies at 150 yards.

which leads me to the point that maybe the hmr or .22 hornet might be a good choice if roberto considers his .22lr is not up to the job of getting these rabbits at 100 - 150 yards.

 

personally i thnk a very good .22lr setup would cleanly kill rabbits at say 130 yards all day long if zeroed at 50 yards and holding over 4 mill dots on a clam day. but thats just my experience with .22lr other people's may be different.

[RobertoS86 3]

for a purpose or personal pleasure ? we all buy and use for different reasons. have different guns for different jobs etc.

 

personally .... when i found out that .223 can be cheaper to run than hmr i was very interested (being a tight git).

 

when i learned that a well moderated .223 and hmr make similar noise disturbance i though some more.[/ color]

 

[ color=#222222]when i learnt that .223 bucks the wind better than hmr i started to realise

 

having seen that .223 is a great fox round i had to get one. that the us military and uk military use a similar round has to be worth something,

 

that one can load fast fragable 40 s or slower 75's (a max) with huge 0.5 bc,

 

that the .223 burns powder very economically with large choices of ammo out there

 

and good amounts of land passed

 

its got to be a great choice for many a shooter for vermin up to scotish roe.

 

if huage numbers of americans use it for hunting and target work and the military use smilar its got to be a great round to have in your box if like me you want to get a good bang for your buck?!

 

alas this does not answer the chaps question.

why not own a .22lr and a .17hmr if it must be a rimmy. is not the .22wmr less accuarte than the .17hmr and hmr flatter?

however like has been said the hornet is flat and cheap to run for rabbits @ 200 yard . a good choice for a windy spot over the hmr and a finer bullet than .22wmr whihc looks like an old prehistoric bullet design like the .22lr.

 

The HMR shoots flatter and is FRACTIONALLY more accurate than the WMR, but the WMR in 30g V-Max is very flat and accurate and carries approx 70ft lb more out of the barrel than the HMR, so that maybe 3-5mm difference in accuracy at 100 yards is more than made up by calibre size and energy!

 

As for a prehistoric looking round , what do you think the HMR is based on, and talk prehistoric, when did you last look at a .22 Hornet Cartridge, but what have looks got to do with anything?

 

 

alot actually.

the shape and surface finnish of a round is important to its accuracy. .22lr rounds do look like bullets used in wars many years ago i.e. old technology. well thats my observation anyway.

and you need accuracy to hit bunnies at 150 yards.

which leads me to the point that maybe the hmr or .22 hornet might be a good choice if roberto considers his .22lr is not up to the job of getting these rabbits at 100 - 150 yards.

 

personally i thnk a very good .22lr setup would cleanly kill rabbits at say 130 yards all day long if zeroed at 50 yards and holding over 4 mill dots on a clam day. but thats just my experience with .22lr other people's may be different.

 

Yeah I know what your saying mate but I'd rather shoot a round with a flatter trajectory, that I personally would have more confidence in using, rather than having to compensate for a greater looping trajectory from a .22lr.

[Brickhill 28]

I shoot a lot of brown hare with an Anshutz .17HMR. Deadly accurate with Hornady V-Max. Most are taken between 90-150 yards. Kills them fine with both head and shots to the shoulder. If you look about you should be able to pick up Hornady V-Max for under £10 a box (50) no problem.

[GEOFF.223 83]

i had a ,17hmr but as it makes just as much noise as a .223 i didn't see the point in having it any more as i can get cheap round which cost as little as the .17hmr for my .223.

 

as said above don't get rid of the .22 i did and now im paying to get slot back on license.

 

yes i liked my .17 but the noise for a rimmy and cost of ammo put me off, the original thought of a rimmy is take it out and shoot a couple of hundred round for fun at little expense not with the hmr.

 

keep the .22

get a .223

 

im geting a box of 20 for £7 and there accurate.

hmr are £15+ for 50 not a mega difference

£15 for 50 hmr, they must have seen you coming!

You are paying £17.50 for 50 .223.

 

Admittedly I buy in blocks but that's nearly £3 more than I pay, and if I wait for the inevitable offers, nearly £5 more!!!

 

very little difference in price in terms of performance, as you know .223 will eat up 4/5 times the range of the hmr, and if you already have a .22 whats the point in buying a gun that can only go a extra 50/60 yards when for the slightest bit more get a gun which can shoot 500 yards more?????? its a pointless calibre UNLESS u could get 500 rounds for £25 like the .22......

Ok. So lets say the humble HMR will only shoot accuratley to 100, (a bit of an understatement) and you are saying the .223 will shoot at least 500 yards more, then I am interested what exactly it is, that you are shooting at 600+ yards, other than paper targets I hope. Please tell me its not deer or foxes. (depending on the country you shoot.)

 

you would be very stupid to shoot a fox at 600 yards with a .223 do you not know this? i would shoot at the all day long at 450yards in calm days .

 

i would not shoot a fox at anymore than 100yards with the hmr and would only shoot it on calm days. if you planning to shoot foxes you should be looking at a .222 minimum.

 

the main point is you should not be buying a rifle that will not just do the job and no more, its a case of morals i would rather make sure i put it down with one shoot rather than wounding.

 

I sure you agree.

 

GEOF.223...you seem to be making some sweeping generalisations, there is a lot of shooting going on out there at a lot of different quarry in a lot of different situations and at a lot of different distances.

 

I have 8 FAC tools, why, because I shoot a lot of different quarry in a lot of different situations and at a lot of different distances, and I endeavour to select the most appropriate for each job! Sometimes that may be the .22lr for fox or sometimes the .243 for fox, or anything in between, it may even be a shotgun!

 

yea fair point but if you are limited on the cash you can spend, i only seen in between calipers

(.22 to .223) a luxury as there is not a real need for them.

 

the biggest cal i can get in Ireland here is .22-250

unless your in a deer club or have land passed for deer.