TUFFTY 1,476 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Fellas', by all means argue Calzaghe as possibly britains best super middle ever, but in terms of Joe Calzaghe "greatest boxer that ever lived" this thread should never have got off the ground! I stated who I think is possibly the greatest of them all (Walker Smith Jr aka Sugar Ray Robinson) and my favourite of them all (Erik Morales) there's a big difference! As previously stated in other terms, anyone arguing Joe Calzaghe to even be mentioned "with" the best ever, let alone as "The Best ever" is apparently not all that knowledgable with the noble art! Over and out with this topic, Yours in sport, TFM Here here TUFFTY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper 25 Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 gnash .i did mention [bANNED TEXT] mate when you was having these same digs at joe ,hopkins nor jones would fight joe years [bANNED TEXT] they did get it on .hopkins was offered a fortune to fight joe at cardiff castle or the millenium stadium .[bANNED TEXT] ,000 fans plus tv around the world he wouldnt do it . if you doubt any of this i can give you enzos number at the gym . he can tell you better.joe was finished with boxing [bANNED TEXT] the hopkins and jones fights the only reason he fought on was to beat these two .and beat them he did .hopkins was never washed up when joe beat him .thats why hes still at the very top now long after joes gone . i dont hear frochs camp calling hopkins out If fights are there to be made,money,venue and timing being right......they usually get made.......im sure Calzaghes father would defend his son the same as im sure Jones father would defend his...........i dont know for fact one way or the other im just going on the assumption that top fighters usually get top names if they really want them...........and harsh as it sounds Joe Calzaghe never fought a top name........i find that a bit of a coincidence ......and they are not digs mate i wouldnt have " digs " at any pro fighter im not like that.........its just talking boxing thats all. At the time i very much doubt Hopkins or Jones even knew what continent Cardiff castle was in,and the fact Joe only held the wbo title i can see why neither of them would see the value in going to Wales....Calzaghes dream was an unbeaten record....the likes of Jones/Hopkins dream was to win and unify different titles at different weights,make big fights and earn big money...............i think the fact people still question the achievements of Calzaghe yet speak of Jones and Hopkins in hall of fame terms speaks volumes about the direction their respective careers took Jones and Hopkins are thought of worldwide as all time great fighters Calzaghe is only thought of that way in Britain. jones and hopkins both won world titles and defended them after joe was finished with them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper 25 Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I would say Benn and Eubank had had a few more battles than Collins by the time they had met, not just with each other, that was a strong weight when they were in they're prime... Some of those fights would've took it out of you more than age.... not a few more battles just fought more bums in the early days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Cooper, wtf you chatting about? You been up the pub or sommit? As your talking TUD........ Hopkins and Jones are and were past their sell by date when joe was matched with them.. Benn and Eubank had many battles in their carerers and NOT what you said (many bums) TUFFTY 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,024 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) not a few more battles just fought more bums in the early days Did Calzaghe ever have " a battle " ?.........I remind you of what he said in his book ......words that got the backs up of fighters in gyms up and down the country at the time....... " i would never have taken part in fights like those that finished the careers of Mcllellend and Watson " Edited December 17, 2012 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brookie 1,193 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 not a few more battles just fought more bums in the early days Did Calzaghe ever have " a battle " ?.........I remind you of what he said in his book ......words that got the backs up of fighters in gyms up and down the country at the time....... " i would never have taken part in fights like those that finished the careers of Mcllellend and Watson " gnash heres a question for you . how much of blame would you attribute to bad refereeing to these two men being injured as badly as they were mate ? i certainly think the ref slipped up badly in the mc clelland fight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,024 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 gnash heres a question for you . how much of blame would you attribute to bad refereeing to these two men being injured as badly as they were mate ? i certainly think the ref slipped up badly in the mc clelland fight Hindsite is a far more powerful tool than the adrenalin and emotion of real time mate i couldnt bring myself to throw blame in any direction i love the sport too much to do that.......ive heard people blame the corners of both men,as well as the referees......................i try to look on the positive side and say they were 2 men of unquestionable fighting spirit who paid the price for how God made them..............as in any sport you have to learn from tragedies and take steps to prevent them in future and if protecting a man from himself is the only way to go then so be it. Would you blame the refs ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Thats a great way to look at it Gnasher, I think that book of yours is overdue mate. ..........quote............i try to look on the positive side and say they were 2 men of unquestionable fighting spirit who paid the price for how God made them... That line alone is worth the fee of your book lad. YIS D 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper 25 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 not a few more battles just fought more bums in the early days Did Calzaghe ever have " a battle " ?.........I remind you of what he said in his book ......words that got the backs up of fighters in gyms up and down the country at the time....... " i would never have taken part in fights like those that finished the careers of Mcllellend and Watson " theirs no winning this argument tragic cases both of them and other iv seen. joe out classed anyone that was put in front of him and always had his dad in his corner to look after him.money and greed could of had something to do with men being damaged like that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper 25 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Cooper, wtf you chatting about? You been up the pub or sommit? As your talking TUD........ Hopkins and Jones are and were past their sell by date when joe was matched with them.. Benn and Eubank had many battles in their carerers and NOT what you said (many bums) TUFFTY hopkins and jones both won world titles after fighting joe and i seen most of benn an eubanks fights and like most fighters on the up they fought plenty of bums Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lifelong cumbrian 1,826 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l2PC5It1HI Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you The Greatest Boxer of All time - Sugar Ray Robinson. I would agree with that, Ray Robinson was a awesome fighter, welterweight, middleweight and but for exhaustion he would have also been light heavyweight champion. Joe Calzaghe was a great fighter could be best british fighter ever? and cant think of a better super middleweight. I remember when he signed pro, Mikey Duff said he would be best british fighter ever and he probably was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Kelly 5 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 two world titles and unbeaten dont think the man gets the credit he deserves but the greatest ever think thats a windup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,024 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 money and greed could of had something to do with men being damaged like that You have said some pretty stupid things on these threads........but this takes stupidity to a whole new level !!...............How about absolute will to win at all costs and the highest form of competetive desire.........................money and greed,what a ridiculous comment ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper 25 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) money and greed could of had something to do with men being damaged like that You have said some pretty stupid things on these threads........but this takes stupidity to a whole new level !!...............How about absolute will to win at all costs and the highest form of competetive desire.........................money and greed,what a ridiculous comment ! is it whos talking about the fighter :thumbs:ie mc guigan v cruz a greedy bstard for money was mr eastwood who managed mc clelland and watson Edited December 19, 2012 by The Cooper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 not a few more battles just fought more bums in the early days Did Calzaghe ever have " a battle " ?.........I remind you of what he said in his book ......words that got the backs up of fighters in gyms up and down the country at the time....... " i would never have taken part in fights like those that finished the careers of Mcllellend and Watson " theirs no winning this argument tragic cases both of them and other iv seen. joe out classed anyone that was put in front of him and always had his dad in his corner to look after him.money and greed could of had something to do with men being damaged like that :no: Cooper is your real name Tommy? Do you wear a dodgy hat? TUFFTY 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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