NEWKID 27,182 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 My first dog was called Hagler, I was about 8 I reckon, loved him as a kid...... Benn v Macelland one of the best fights I've ever seen, definitely enjoyed benn and Eubank more than Collins, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper 25 Posted December 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 steve collins fighting benn eubanks at the end of there career lol collins was older 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,182 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I would say Benn and Eubank had had a few more battles than Collins by the time they had met, not just with each other, that was a strong weight when they were in they're prime... Some of those fights would've took it out of you more than age.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd17586 454 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 My first dog was called Hagler, I was about 8 I reckon, loved him as a kid......e Benn v Macelland one of the best fights I've ever seen, definitely enjoyed benn and Eubank more than Collins, benn and macelland was a great fight but the wars that ward and gatti had were unbelievable. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,187 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 gnash .i did mention [bANNED TEXT] mate when you was having these same digs at joe ,hopkins nor jones would fight joe years [bANNED TEXT] they did get it on .hopkins was offered a fortune to fight joe at cardiff castle or the millenium stadium .[bANNED TEXT] ,000 fans plus tv around the world he wouldnt do it . if you doubt any of this i can give you enzos number at the gym . he can tell you better.joe was finished with boxing [bANNED TEXT] the hopkins and jones fights the only reason he fought on was to beat these two .and beat them he did .hopkins was never washed up when joe beat him .thats why hes still at the very top now long after joes gone . i dont hear frochs camp calling hopkins out If fights are there to be made,money,venue and timing being right......they usually get made.......im sure Calzaghes father would defend his son the same as im sure Jones father would defend his...........i dont know for fact one way or the other im just going on the assumption that top fighters usually get top names if they really want them...........and harsh as it sounds Joe Calzaghe never fought a top name........i find that a bit of a coincidence ......and they are not digs mate i wouldnt have " digs " at any pro fighter im not like that.........its just talking boxing thats all. At the time i very much doubt Hopkins or Jones even knew what continent Cardiff castle was in,and the fact Joe only held the wbo title i can see why neither of them would see the value in going to Wales....Calzaghes dream was an unbeaten record....the likes of Jones/Hopkins dream was to win and unify different titles at different weights,make big fights and earn big money...............i think the fact people still question the achievements of Calzaghe yet speak of Jones and Hopkins in hall of fame terms speaks volumes about the direction their respective careers took Jones and Hopkins are thought of worldwide as all time great fighters Calzaghe is only thought of that way in Britain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,187 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 steve collins fighting benn eubanks at the end of there career lol collins was older Any fighter will tell you calendar years will not show as much wear and tear as miles on the clock do...............Benn and Eubank had far more miles on the clock than Collins did when they met. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,182 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 steve collins fighting benn eubanks at the end of there career lol collins was older Any fighter will tell you calendar years will not show as much wear and tear as miles on the clock do...............Benn and Eubank had far more miles on the clock than Collins did when they met. That's what I was trying to say gnash, lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,187 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 You said it mate .......................i replied before id seen yours.....and i dont think you can delete stuff once you,ve posted it or i would have 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hopkins accepted an offer of 3 million dollars to fight Calzaghe ..then the day after renaged on the deal by citing that he wanted 6million...thats why the fight never went ahead when it first should have 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Would a younger busier but still technically far better Hopkins have beaten a younger more stationary 'boxer/puncher' style calzaghe? How about a prime Jones jnr? imo he'd get completely outclassed in both fights,but the Hopkins one would be very interesting,how would calzaghe with his superior handspeed and aggressive style react to being picked off with counters all night? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Fellas', by all means argue Calzaghe as possibly britains best super middle ever, but in terms of Joe Calzaghe "greatest boxer that ever lived" this thread should never have got off the ground! I stated who I think is possibly the greatest of them all (Walker Smith Jr aka Sugar Ray Robinson) and my favourite of them all (Erik Morales) there's a big difference! As previously stated in other terms, anyone arguing Joe Calzaghe to even be mentioned "with" the best ever, let alone as "The Best ever" is apparently not all that knowledgable with the noble art! Over and out with this topic, Yours in sport, TFM 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,187 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Fellas', by all means argue Calzaghe as possibly britains best super middle ever, but in terms of Joe Calzaghe "greatest boxer that ever lived" this thread should never have got off the ground! I stated who I think is possibly the greatest of them all (Walker Smith Jr aka Sugar Ray Robinson) and my favourite of them all (Erik Morales) there's a big difference! As previously stated in other terms, anyone arguing Joe Calzaghe to even be mentioned "with" the best ever, let alone as "The Best ever" is apparently not all that knowledgable with the noble art! Over and out with this topic, Yours in sport, TFM Totally agree............only a complete fool,or someone so wrapped up in hero worship could possibly put Joe Calzaghe,s name in the same sentance as Ray Robinson........and keep a straight face !! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Don't mince your words gnasher! Aha. I was trying to be a bit diplomatic, but yes agree with you 100%. . Lets move on to Audrey Harrison!?! :-) All the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mexlad 189 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 a lot of people think that because he was undefeated he was a great, an undefeated record doesnt really mean that much in terms of " greats " if you never fought the best of the best,, just my opinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 one thing for sure is you cant get 50 great boxers into the top ten 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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