The H & N FTT Pellet Weight Experiment With Si Pittaway

[zini 1,939]

Hi there lads,

 

In this episode of VerminHuntersTV I decide to do my own experiment to confirm what I thought that I already knew.

 

After reading various posts in regards to pellets, their weight and head size I decide to do my own investigation.

 

The experiment is to see the effects of weighing and sorting your pellets prior to shooting groups and targets.

 

I wanted to see if pellets of different weights but the same brand fired through a rifle would impact in a north to south POI making a bigger group.

 

If the impact is north to south at 27.3 yards and larger than a weighed batch of pellets what will it be like at 45 yards (max HFT range) .

 

To confirm my theory I shoot a mixed pellet weight group with pellets ranging from 14.7 grain to 15.7 grain, followed by 2 weighed 5 shot groups at 15.4 grain.

 

Watch to see the results. I think you will be pretty surprised.

 

Enjoy

 

Si.

 

[porkybella 284]

Ill be wash and weighing mine from now on si. What do you lube yours with?

[gurtwurz 792]

Interesting results there si. Funnily enough, my has been grouping badly with ftt's lately but I've solved the problem by using accupell, which have been giving sub 1/2 inch groups at 25yds and 1 inch-ish groups at 45, which'll do me nicely.

 

Having felt my brains melt through my eyes after spending 20 minutes weighing pellets with davy late one saturday night I know it ain't the route forward for me lol but fair play to you for your dedication mate.

 

Cheers, wurz

[Buster321c 1,010]

Better than the telly

[neil82 1,087]

  On 12/12/2012 at 22:36, gurtwurz said:

Interesting results there si. Funnily enough, my has been grouping badly with ftt's lately but I've solved the problem by using accupell, which have been giving sub 1/2 inch groups at 25yds and 1 inch-ish groups at 45, which'll do me nicely.

 

Having felt my brains melt through my eyes after spending 20 minutes weighing pellets with davy late one saturday night I know it ain't the route forward for me lol but fair play to you for your dedication mate.

 

Cheers, wurz

you need to find an `Ann`, mine thinks its great to spend the day with a couple of boxes of crossmans (1250 per box) and sort them into .2 grain groups, hav`nt the heart to tell her i just throw them in my pocket and shoot the bl**dy things, lol

[Elmer_Fudd 28]

I keep watching these videos and not realising there 25 minutes or so long haha .... is there a better lube than others mate? maybe a video on waching lubing shor vid?

 

ATB

 

Gaz

[Lusomage 9]

I'll start weighing aswell as washing and lubing when my new tin of RWS superfeilds come in, but their usually pretty consistant. jamie

[gurtwurz 792]

  On 12/12/2012 at 22:50, neil82 said:

  On 12/12/2012 at 22:36, gurtwurz said:

Interesting results there si. Funnily enough, my has been grouping badly with ftt's lately but I've solved the problem by using accupell, which have been giving sub 1/2 inch groups at 25yds and 1 inch-ish groups at 45, which'll do me nicely.

 

Having felt my brains melt through my eyes after spending 20 minutes weighing pellets with davy late one saturday night I know it ain't the route forward for me lol but fair play to you for your dedication mate.

 

Cheers, wurz

you need to find an `Ann`, mine thinks its great to spend the day with a couple of boxes of crossmans (1250 per box) and sort them into .2 grain groups, hav`nt the heart to tell her i just throw them in my pocket and shoot the bl**dy things, lol

 

I've got a ' jackie' neil mate, and she's way too busy cooking, doing me paperwork and knitting to weigh up me pellets too lol

 

Cheers, wurz

[Mawders 595]

Cracking vid as always Si,

 

That goes to show that washing and weighing does have its benefits. What brand of pellet lube are you using for use in your springers?

[zini 1,939]

Thanks for your input lads.

 

Its strange how little things can go along way to improving your results.

 

I agree John washing and lubing is boring but weighing is super dull and im no fan myself. I just do it to get better results. I need to train LJ up lol.

 

Hi Phil, im using Napier Power Lube ATM but I find photo copier spray oil is just as good.

 

You only need a little bit of lube and little is a lot better.

 

Too many drops will cause your rifle to diesel.

 

Si.

[pianoman 3,587]

Washing at least and weighing has become de riguere with H&N FTT. At least in .22 calibre. So far, they seem to be better in .177 (?).

 

My HW80 FAC .22 has mysteriously stopped performing accurately with these in favour of RWS Superfields now -God knows why. Superfields are certainly more consistent, I have to say.

 

But my HW77 .22 performs to its maximum accuracy on FTT, washed and lubed with a light coat of WD40. But, the way these pellets have gone down in consistent quality over the years and, getting worse lately; it has become a necessary chore. I can manage to weigh a hundred in a single sitting before the will to live proves too strong to resist further. It's so annoying because, when they are good, H&N FTT are absolutely brilliant. But to be honest, if or when I find an alternative pellet that the rifle performs equally well with, without this headache, I'll dance a bloody jig!

 

 

 

Pianoman

[robwelsh 354]

Maybe this is why I couldn't get a tidy group with h&n, iv washed them lol see how it goes with just that

[ghillies 209]

exselent Si!!

 

diferent weights

different velocities

different BC's

different powers..

 

shot to shot consistancy goes a bit further out, and like you said..at ranges it goes further to pot every yard further you go.

 

a hint to the noddies tuning to 11.9fps...your over power at least every three shots.

 

 

one of the gun shop owners sat and did the maths to it all, and was evident that if you add all the bad error/tolerances etc together you could actuly be shooting to a 5 inch group at 30 yards...eeeek!

 

edit.. a little tester is set up 4 or 5 bits of wood up, solid steaked in the ground, and put pallet wood strips a couple inch long flat on top.(preferably over hanging the steak pegs). 10-40 yards spead out. twighlite is better for seeing how your shootings 'at'.

 

shoot one shot at each and knock them off, replace in the same place and randomly shoot them all again.. do that 3 or 4 times.

 

if your mind sets right you'll you can get si type groups on all the wood.. its latent shooting. you hit it 'there' each. time.. just a thought lol.

Edited December 13, 2012 by ghillies

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

I used too much napier lube and gun dieselled bad every shot. then after changing to a brand new ti of unwashed/lubed pellets after approx 4-5 shot there would be no dieselling.

then back to lubed pellets and dieseling like mad.

Same again unlubed, 6 shots later no dieseling.

 

So it seems apparent that a bit of the lube was staying in the barrel to cause dieseling for a few shots after changing to unlubed pellets.

 

So little is definately more when it comes to lubing your pellets.

 

Hope this helps someone.

Cheers, SKoT

[davyt63 1,845]

hi Si

nice footage and shooting

and just goes to show what we were talking about,accurate weight and data will produce the tighter groups

 

i also was amazed,by the different weights in my other post,so once all your H&NFTT are used up you will have to re-zero and weigh them all again,as i found i couldn't get one out of 20 that was 15. grain from another tin,it varied from 14.7 14.9 15.2 so you will have to put all the data in again just like i have to get your correct POA.

i shall weigh and keep range cards for the two majority weights and keep the others for plinking

 

also please stick to 5 shots in total

 

we also talk about that alot to

 

proof is in the pudding