Testing the New Defiant HFT Pellets - PCP

[robwelsh 354]

How many people who buy a pcp , buy a mag fed one though? Surely people would prefer to stick to a pellet that feeds well through a mag. And let's face it the Hw mag is the simplest of all I think?

Anyway, be good to see if it dies make a diff.

[Marksman 934]

It's the fact they're HFT pellets mate most HFT rules state that the rifle is to be single fed, hence the reason for removing the magazine after every shot.

I've managed to get hold of a single shot tray as recommended by the pellet manufacturer so will do another video and post the results this weekend.

 

Darryl

[robwelsh 354]

Well even if they are hft pellets, I still don't think they should limit themselfs with just the ft people. Most target boys use jsb. I very rarely shoot a target, and I use jsb. If they want a pellet to be good, and make it, I think it should be designed to shoot straight regardless of magazine or not. But that's just my opinion. Atb

[clubshot 22]

Are Called HFT as the same weight as other HFT used pellets

 

Can not be that bad @ Factory yesterday and starting second run already of 4.52's

 

BOB/R

[clubshot 22]

Statement from Manufacture -

 

As the manufacturer of the Defiant FT pellets I have been asked to comment on the poor results that a “so called expert” posted on Utube using an HW100 magazine fed but without a fixed rest.

The magazine of the HW100 has a space larger than the length of the Defiant pellet from where the O ring holds the pellets to the breech. This means that the pellets have to jump the gap and do not always enter the breech concentrically.

A longer pellet of the same weight will give better results in windless conditions but the Defiant HFT is short as it is designed for HFT shooting and should buck the wind better than a longer pellet.

The reason why it groups better in spring piston /gas ram air rifles is that the pellet is fed directly into the barrel and therefore single shot HW rifles shoot well even though they use the same HW barrel as their magazine fed counterpart PCP.

When conducting a scientific test the rifle, if the rifle is a PCP it should be mounted in a fixed rest which does not rely on the shooters ability, as we always do when testing our pellets.

If it is a spring piston/gas ram the barrel should be clamped in a recoiling reducing rig using linear bearing and not clamped solid so that it is not free to recoil.

Hugh Earl

[Marksman 934]

Statement from Manufacture -

 

As the manufacturer of the Defiant FT pellets I have been asked to comment on the poor results that a “so called expert” posted on Utube using an HW100 magazine fed but without a fixed rest.

The magazine of the HW100 has a space larger than the length of the Defiant pellet from where the O ring holds the pellets to the breech. This means that the pellets have to jump the gap and do not always enter the breech concentrically.

A longer pellet of the same weight will give better results in windless conditions but the Defiant HFT is short as it is designed for HFT shooting and should buck the wind better than a longer pellet.

The reason why it groups better in spring piston /gas ram air rifles is that the pellet is fed directly into the barrel and therefore single shot HW rifles shoot well even though they use the same HW barrel as their magazine fed counterpart PCP.

When conducting a scientific test the rifle, if the rifle is a PCP it should be mounted in a fixed rest which does not rely on the shooters ability, as we always do when testing our pellets.

If it is a spring piston/gas ram the barrel should be clamped in a recoiling reducing rig using linear bearing and not clamped solid so that it is not free to recoil.

Hugh Earl

 

so called expert"....I love it!!

OK own up....who called me an expert??? :laugh:

I'm far from an expert but do know how to shoot!!

Its not just me who are getting bad results with the Defiant brand pellets either, quite a few who attended the last Nottingham meet had horrendous results with the Ogive, and that was indoors in windless conditions and at only 27 yds!

 

I am in no way knocking the Defiant brand as I had excellent results with them in my old S10, just merely posting my findings

 

In response I will be conducting another test WITH an HW single shot tray and see what happens......

 

Darryl

[Tron 173]

I see the maker didnt complain when Roy Williams praised them even though Roy shot his groups without a fixed rest! perhaps hese a better expert than Darrel!

 

certainly many other shooters didnt like them after all who goes hunting and pulls off every kill with a fixed rest!

[AR177 588]

Its not an attack at the Company/Manufacturer if someone says they don't perform well in their rifle, they are like any other pellet on the market, you need to try them in your own rifle and see how they go

 

ATB

 

Adam

[robwelsh 354]

I'm sure Darryl is capable of shooting one holers with a different brand of pellet suited to his Hw with a mag? Maybe you should all do a comparison with the pellet your using atm,if your testing them out. To show it wasn't because of a breeze, a magazine or because its not clamped. How much isit for a test pack?

[Marksman 934]

Hahahaa....seems I'm getting a lot of flak off the BBS now......

 

 

Originally Posted by Marksman0445

I suggest you watch the video again....

 

I simply tested them in MY rifle in the "real world" Not everyone has access to an indoor range!!.....As mentioned in the video I cleaned the barrel and releaded before and during the pellet size change

 

After the test I also said on video "Just because I got bad groups with MY rifle, doesnt mean they wont work in any other"......

 

Not once have I given the company bad press, just merely posted MY findings with MY rifle so pull your head out of your ***

 

Darryl

"real world" you are right not everyone has access to a indoor range. Just a tip though leave the testing to those who do have the facility and also have the experiance.

 

Maybe you got "bad groups" in your test because, A. Poorly regulated rifle, B. Not the optimum fill pressure, C. You can't hit a barn door on a good day. D. More than likely haven't got a clue what your doing. With this in mind I was simply giving you some pointers and tips to follow for your next so called pellet testing session, you might get some accurate results that way, and produce a video that can be relied upon.

 

Just some advice frendo, or you can continue with your amateurish methods and make poor videos, post them on YouTube so people can leave comments like this..

 

"glad I never bothered to try these bud, thought they would be crap, you did well to carry on with them"

 

Now because of your amateurish testing methods and poor video, someone has left the above comment is this not contributing to giving the company and brand bad press? Other users will see the video and comments like this, thus staying clear of the pellets entirely.

 

We can argue about this all day long, or you can accept the fact you employed some poor testing methods, the other thing you need to accept is you're not good at taking constructive criticism, learn from it and take every bit of advice people give you. If you don't then you can just go back to sticking your head up your ****

 

[robwelsh 354]

Hahaha, should tell him to take the time out to test them with his pro shooting skills the ceeeeunnnt!!! LOL

[AR177 588]

Love it!

 

Censorship at its best - If you dont post a good review you cant post anything at all...

 

Field testing is exactly what it sounds like, you go out and test it in the environment in which it is to be used, in this case a field!....

They are for HFT which is outside ... In the Wind.... Ive never come across a HFT that allows rifles to be put vices in windless environments

You might get some accurate test results if you use some JSB Darryl! They have gone through plenty of field tests

 

Now im doubting the accuracy of my own testing..F*ck em I think ill just use my regular brand just to be safe I know Darryl is a better shooter than me so if his methods are in doubt so must be mine

[Marksman 934]

Love it!

 

Censorship at its best - If you dont post a good review you cant post anything at all...

 

Field testing is exactly what it sounds like, you go out and test it in the environment in which it is to be used, in this case a field!....

They are for HFT which is outside ... In the Wind.... Ive never come across a HFT that allows rifles to be put vices in windless environments

You might get some accurate test results if you use some JSB Darryl! They have gone through plenty of field tests

 

Now im doubting the accuracy of my own testing..F*ck em I think ill just use my regular brand just to be safe I know Darryl is a better shooter than me so if his methods are in doubt so must be mine

 

thats what I, thinking now mate.... stick to what we know works!

but hell... I wanna see if it's true what this guy says about the single shot

 

As for being a better shooter mate I'm humbled you'd say that but if I were then I'd be the one walking away with the trophies at the meets not you

 

Darryl

[Tron 173]

FFS!. as pointed out when out in the field a expierenced shooter knows what he, the gun, and pellet is capable of. Fact

 

to go out with ammo that is unknown, untried, OR CAN ONLY PRODUCE ACCEPTABLE ACCURACY BY SHOOTING

 

FROM A RIGID MOUNTING IS NOT POSSIBLE! FACT. Look back over the years at different ammo from various makers

 

and bet your last dollar that brit ammo just isnt in the top 10 makes, other of course the good stuff from AA. Daystate. and Bisley

 

Meybe I am Wrong but there is ammo out there that I wouldnt touch with a bargepole!!

[AR177 588]

Love it!

 

Censorship at its best - If you dont post a good review you cant post anything at all...

 

Field testing is exactly what it sounds like, you go out and test it in the environment in which it is to be used, in this case a field!....

They are for HFT which is outside ... In the Wind.... Ive never come across a HFT that allows rifles to be put vices in windless environments

You might get some accurate test results if you use some JSB Darryl! They have gone through plenty of field tests

 

Now im doubting the accuracy of my own testing..F*ck em I think ill just use my regular brand just to be safe I know Darryl is a better shooter than me so if his methods are in doubt so must be mine

 

thats what I, thinking now mate.... stick to what we know works!

but hell... I wanna see if it's true what this guy says about the single shot

 

As for being a better shooter mate I'm humbled you'd say that but if I were then I'd be the one walking away with the trophies at the meets not you

 

Darryl

 

I was lucky on the day mate

 

ATB

 

Adam